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Re: [tor-dev] xxx-triangleboy-transport.txt (+comments on pluggable-transport)
by Mike Perry 03 Mar '11

03 Mar '11

Thus spake Nick Mathewson (nickm(a)freehaven.net): > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Mike Perry <mikeperry(a)fscked.org> wrote: > [...] > > > > Appendix: List of key xxx-pluggable-transport.txt shortcomings > > > > 1. This pluggable transport does not need any intelligence or process > > launching on the Client side, aside from a way to tell Tor not to be > > so pedantic about ensuring identity key and IP address consistency. > > What pedanticism exactly do you mean? Matching the IP addr in the > netinfo cell, or something else? I actually don't know the full list there. I think the last time we tried to enumerate this, we decided that "try it and see what actually breaks" was a more efficient approach. > > 2. The relay side needs to be able to detect if it has both the > > permissions and the network ability to send spoofed packets. It needs > > to communicate this fact with the Relay Plugin by responding with the > > appropriate extrainfo lines, or with "METHODS: NONE" to indicate > > error. This relay-side handshake should be specified in the > > pluggable-transport spec. > > To be clear, you mean that the plugin checks whether it can spoof (and > tell Tor "I do nothing!" if it can't), or that Tor needs to find out > whether it can spoof and tell the plugin that whether it can spoof or > not. The first sounds reasonable. The second doesn't so much: most > Tors won't want to try to spoof, so building the checks into Tor > wouldn't make sense to me, unless I'm missing something. Yes, the first is what we want here. > > 3. The relay plugin side needs some way to communicate EXTRAINFO lines > > to be added to its extrainfo descriptor. In this proposal, we use the > > SMETHOD reply to do this. > > Needs spec, not just an example. Ok. Well, does the example I gave look like an instance of what we want to specify as the behavior? > > 4. Is extrainfo really the best place to keep this information? > > Shouldn't it just be in the relay/bridge descriptor? Putting it in > > extrainfo requires our TransportBridges to enable the wasteful > > DownloadExtraInfo=1 torrc setting, which will consume more scarce > > resources and RAM on what will probably be cheap routers with 32-64M > > of RAM. > > Hm. Relay/bridge descriptor should be okay, I guess. I'm not sure > why the TransportBridges are getting those anyway, though: I see why > the client needs it, but not what the transportbridge needs it. The transport bridge should avoid being an open proxy. I suppose it can only properly carry full TCP streams to an endpoint, but without restricting who those endpoints are, it becomes a reflector open to abuse such as portscans. > Also, why are transportbridges even running tor? They don't seem to > be doing anything particularly tor-like. Mostly for the consensus, for reasons above. Not strictly required, if we don't mind being an arbitrary SYN proxy. > > 5. How would we go about chaining an actual obfuscation mechanism with > > this transport? Would we just create new and separate transport called > > TriangleBoyOverHTTP, for example, or is there a better way to chain > > different mechanisms? > > On the client side, socks-over-socks-over-socks is not actually a > terrible way of doing things there. We'll need to distinguish between > which transports are chainable and which aren't, though[*], and maybe > revise the design to make sure there's a way to tell to tell tor to do > said chaining. > > On the server side, you need some way to distinguish which processing > method to do for incoming data. Separate ports seems ok there. We > still need to figure out the server side. > > [*] generally, obfuscation is chainable but transport isn't. This is not a bad generalization. Do we want to make this distinction (between obfuscation vs transport) elsewhere in the spec, I wonder? -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs

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Proposal status, with suggestions for fun stuff to do
by Nick Mathewson 03 Mar '11

03 Mar '11

Hi, everybody! This is a long mail, but if you're interested in Tor development, it could be a good one to read. As promised at the dev meeting, I've spent a while going over all the current Tor proposals in state "Accepted", "Open", and "Draft", plus the documents in proposals/ideas. With any luck, this will help us move design discussion forward, and point out some neglected designs/discussions that people could pick up to specify/improve/implement. I've also summarized the stuff in proposals/ideas: I think we should be more aggressive at putting proposal drafts in "Proposals", and in making a place for design overviews and/or proposal-proposal documents that are not themselves proposals. Of course, if you're looking for a programming project, this isn't the only place to look: you can also head over to the tracker, and look at the tickets, particularly those with keyword "easy". If this is useful to people, I'm hoping to do this once every month or two. (A reminder: We've moved the tor specifications and proposals to their own repository. You can get the latest versions from https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git . For an overview on how the proposal process is supposed to work, see proposal 001, at https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/HEAD:/proposals/001-process.txt .) ===== ACCEPTED: 110 Avoiding infinite length circuits This proposal solves a potential DoS attack. This has been nearly completely implemented for a while. All we need to do is verify that there are no clients that do not send RELAY_EARLY cells correctly, and if so, turn on the code that drops EXTEND cells not sent via RELAY_EARLY. The hard part here is double-checking that all the clients that send EXTEND commands inside non-RELAY_EARLY cells are really and truly obsolete. 117 IPv6 exits [for 0.2.1.x] This proposal describes how to transmit IPv6 traffic over Tor. It needs updating to work properly with microdescriptors; it also has some open questions about DNS. I think this should move to 'needs-revision'. 118 Advertising multiple ORPorts at once This proposal describes how an OR can advertise more than one address and OR port at a time. It needs to be updated to work with microdescriptors, and to explain how much information can be transmitted in the consensus and how (the original proposal was written before consensus directories were really figured out). I think this should move to 'needs-revision' 140 Provide diffs between consensuses This proposal describes a way to transmit less directory traffic by sending only differences between consensuses, rather than the consensuses themselves. It is mainly languishing for lack of an appropriately licensed, well-written, very small, pure-C implementation of the "diff" and "patch" algorithms. (The good diffs seem to be GPL (which we can't use without changing Tor's license), or spaghetti code, or not easily usable as a library, or not written in C, or very large, or some combination of those.) ACTION: Move to 'needs-revision', or find a suitable library 147 Eliminate the need for v2 directories in generating v3 directories This proposal explains a way that we can phase out the vestigial use of v2 directory documents in keeping authorities well-informed enough to generating the v3 consensus. It's still correct; somebody should implement it before the v2 directory code rots any further. 157 Make certificate downloads specific This proposal added cross-certification and signing-key-specific download URLs for directory authority certificates. It is IIRC mostly implemented; there are just some SHOULDs that we should turn into MUSTS if all sufficiently old authority certificates are now obsolete. 166 Including Network Statistics in Extra-Info Documents I think this one is implemented (or mostly implemented) by Karsten in 0.2.2.x. If so, we just need to make sure it is merged into dir-spec, and closed. Karsten, is there something left here? (NOTE TO SELF: I should remember to ask Karsten if he doesn't notice the above.) 172 GETINFO controller option for circuit information 173 GETINFO Option Expansion These would help controllers (particularly arm) provide more useful information about a running Tor process. They're accepted and some parts of 173 are even implemented: somebody just needs to implement the rest. 174 Optimistic Data for Tor: Server Side This proposal would make streams start faster by allowing clients to send DATA cells immediately, without waiting for a CONNECTED cell. There's a patch under review as trac ticket #1795: it has some issues that need to get fixed before we can merge it. I really want to get it fixed up soon, and merged in the next week or two. ===== OPEN: 143 Improvements of Distributed Storage for Tor Hidden Service Descriptors Here's a proposal from Karsten about making the hidden service DHT more reliable and secure to use. It could use more discussion and analysis. 145 Separate "suitable as a guard" from "suitable as a new guard" Currently, the Guard flag means both "You can use this node as a guard if you need to pick a new guard" and "If this node is currently your guard, you can keep using it as a guard." This proposal tries to separate these two concepts, so that clients can stop picking a router once it is full of existing clients using it as a guard, but the clients currently on it won't all drop it. It's not clear whether this has anonymity issues, and it's not clear whether the imagined performance gains are actually worthwhile. 146 Add new flag to reflect losing-term stability From time to time we get the idea of having clients ship with a reasonably recent consensus (or a list of directory mirrors), so instead of bootstrapping from one of the authorities, they can bootstrap from a regular directory cache. The problem here is that by the time the client is run, most of the directory mirrors will be down or will have changed their IP. This proposal tries to address that. It needs analysis based on behavior of actual routers on the network to see whether it could work, and what parameters might work. 156 Tracking blocked ports on the client side This proposal provides a way for clients to learn which ports they are (and aren't) able to connect to, and connect to the ones that work. It comes with a patch, too. It also lets routers track ports that _they_ can't connect to. I'm a little unconvinced that : most clients that have some ports blocked will need bridges, not just restriction to a smaller set of ports. This could be good behind restrictive firewalls, though. The router-side part is a little iffy: routers that can't connect to each other violate one of our network topology assumptions, and even if we do want to track failed router->router connections, the routers need to be sure that they aren't fooled into trying to connect repeatedly to a series of nonexistent addresses in an attempt to make them believe that (say) they can't reach port 443. This one is a paradigmatic "open" proposal: it needs more discussion. The patch probably also needs to be ported to 0.2.3.x; it touches some code that has changed. 158 Clients download consensus + microdescriptors This proposal provides a way for clients to download authority-provided summaries of router descriptors instead of the descriptors themselves; I'm working on this one; it's going in 0.2.3.x. It needs some cleanup, but it's basically right. (NOTE TO SELF: Clean this up and move it to "Accepted!") 159 Exit Scanning This is an overview of SoaT, with some ideas for how to integrate it into Tor. Mike, is this implemented? Done? Superseded? Still open? (NOTE TO SELF: I should remember to ask Mike if he doesn't notice the above.) 162 Publish the consensus in multiple flavors This proposal describes a way for authorities to migrate from one format of consensus to another without bloating the consensus forever. It is mostly implemented in 0.2.3.x, though some parts of it need to get work. I should clean it up too. (NOTE TO SELF: Clean this up and move it to "Accepted!") 163 Detecting whether a connection comes from a client This one describes a number of ways to distinguish clients from non-clients when rejecting single-hop connections. Some are implemented; others are rejected; others are still discussable. Somebody should figure out what happened here, and reopen discussion as interested. 164 Reporting the status of server votes This proposal explains a way for authorities to provide a slightly more verbose document that relay operators can use to diagnose reasons that their router was or was not listed in the consensus. These documents would be like slightly more verbose versions of the authorities' votes, and would explain *why* the authority voted as it did. It wouldn't be too hard to implement, and would be a fine project for somebody who wants to get to know the directory code. 165 Easy migration for voting authority sets This is a design for how to change the set of authorities without having a flag day where the authority operators all reconfigure their authorities at once. It needs more discussion. One difficulty here is that we aren't talking much about changing the set of authorities, but that may be a chicken-and-egg issue, since changing the set is so onerous. If anybody is interested, it would be great to move the discussion ahead here. 168 Reduce default circuit window This proposal reduces the default window for circuit sendme cells. I think it's implemented, isn't it? If so, we should make sure that tor-spec.txt is updated and close it. (NOTE TO SELF: Ask Roger; This should probably be called "Finished", or "Closed" if we have updated the spec.) 171 Separate streams across circuits by connection metadata This proposal describes a way to prevent cross-application linking of different anonymized sessions by isolating different kinds of streams on different circuits based on their characteristics. I want this one in 0.2.3.x; it would improve client anonymity. A patch would be great; there are efficiency issues to consider, though. ACTION: This should be "accepted", I believe, unless somebody has lingering objections. 176 Proposed version-3 link handshake for Tor Here's my proposal for how to improve our TLS handshake to eliminate renegotiation, become less fingerprintable, and generally make the world a better place. It needs more review by actual crypto people, but I would like to get it into 0.2.3.x. 177 Abstaining from votes on individual flags Here's my proposal for letting authorities have opinions about some (flag,router) combinations without voting on whether _every_ router should have that flag. It's simple, and I think it's basically right. With more discussion and review, somebody could/should build it for 0.2.3.x, I think. ===== DRAFT: 127 Relaying dirport requests to Tor download site / website The idea here was to make it easier to fetch and learn about Tor by making it easy for relays to automatically act as proxies to the Tor website. It needs more discussion, and there are some significant details to work out. It's not at all clear whether this is actually a good idea or not. 132 A Tor Web Service For Verifying Correct Browser Configuration This proposal was meant to give users a way to see if their browser and privoxy (yes, it was a while ago) are correctly configured by running a local webserver on 127.0.0.1. I'm not sure the status here. 133 Incorporate Unreachable ORs into the Tor Network This proposal had an idea for letting ORs that can only make outgoing connections still relay data usefully in the network. It's something we should keep in mind, and it's a pretty neat idea, but it radically changes the network topology. Anybody who wants to analyze new network topologies should definitely have a look. 141 Download server descriptors on demand The idea of this proposal was for clients to only download the consensus, and later ask nodes for their own server descriptors while building the circuit through them. It would make each circuit more time-consuming to build, but make bootstrapping much cheaper. A microdescriptor-based version of this would be even better, and microdescriptors would solve a lot of the problem that this was meant to resolve. It still is not wholly superseded by the microdescriptor system, though. 144 Increase the diversity of circuits by detecting nodes belonging the same provider This is a version of the good idea, "Let's do routing in a way that tries to keep from routing traffic through the same provider too much!" There are complex issues here that the proposal doesn't completely address, but I think it might be a fine idea for somebody to see how much more we know now than we did in 2008, particularly in light of the relevant paper(s) by Matt Edmann and Paul Syverson. 149 Using data from NETINFO cells NETINFO cells currently contain time and address information that could be used to estimate skew and provide yet another way to learn our IP address. This proposal starts to discuss ways that we could try to use that information safely, but doesn't really get anywhere. See trac issues #2628 for some discussion about this stuff. It would be neat if we had a working design here, though I suspect that with the slow and grinding death of older operating systems, systems with radically skewed clocks may become a thing of the past. 170 Configuration options regarding circuit building This is Sebastian's take on how the *Nodes options should work. Roger preferred a more minimal approach that may or may not be right; see the discussion starting at https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1090#comment:21 for his approach. I'm not going to call this "superseded" or "rejected" until my 1090 code is done, though. :( 175 Automatically promoting Tor clients to nodes Here's Steven's proposal for adding a mode between "client mode" and "relay mode" for "self-test to see if you would be a good relay, and if so become one." It didn't get enough attention when it was posted to the list; more people should review it. 178 Require majority of authorities to vote for consensus parameters This is a proposal for making it a little harder for a small number of authorities to influence the value of a consensus parameter. It needs more discussion; Sebastian has a draft implementation in his "safer_params" branch. (NOTE TO SELF: I think this could fairly become "open"; I should ask Sebastian.) ===== NEEDS-REVISION: 131 Help users to verify they are using Tor Here's a proposal for making a torcheck-like website more reliable. If anybody wants to pick it up (especially somebody working on torcheck) and see whether it should be reopened or rejected, that would be a fine thing. ====== "IDEAS": xxx-bwrate-algs.txt Here's a note about better round-robin calculations for rate limiting. Mike wrote it; I don't understand what's going on with it. xxx-choosing-crypto-in-tor-protocol.txt Here's the start of a considerations document that Marian was writing about how to pick new crypto algorithms to migrate to. xxx-controllers-intercept-extends.txt Here's an old idea from Geoff Goodell about letting controllers intercept EXTEND commands. It is partially superseded by Damian's 172, though there is an additional feature that doesn't make sense for the Tor network, but might make sense for experimental stuff like Geoff was working on. xxx-crypto-migration.txt Here's the document I wrote in December about which parts of our crypto there are to migrate, and what might be involved. This isn't a draft or pre-draft of a design proposal; it is more of a new category of "survey of stuff we need to design and think about", or "proposal for proposals" or something. xxx-crypto-requirements.txt Here's Robert Ransom's draft for what crypto properties, exactly, we're trying to get out of our circuit crypto. It is not a proposal draft or pre-draft: it is again a "design considerations" document, and one worth reading. xxx-draft-spec-for-TLS-normalization.txt Here's Jacob's proposal for certificate normalization. It should get renamed, given a proposal number, and called "Open" or "Draft" depending on how much the details are likely to change. xxx-encrypted-services.txt This is a start-of-a-proposal of Rogers that somebody should pick up and finish some time: The idea is to use the hidden service mechanism to provide a secure naming and encrypted connection facility for hosting sites that do not actually want anonymity themselves. There's been more interest in this topic lately. It might also turn into "exit enclaves done right". xxx-exit-scanning-outline.txt Looks like this was superseded by 159? xxx-geoip-survey-plan.txt Here's an old document I wrote a while ago about tracking usage by country. Probably it should go into the metrics documentation somewhere (if we do this), or get thrown into "old" (if we won't do this), or updated (if we might someday do this). xxx-grand-scaling-plan.txt Here are some notes on scaling that Roger wrote in 2008. There might be some smart ideas here! Have a look some time. xxx-hide-platform.txt Here's a proposal pre-draft that says we should normalize the platform string. Somebody could turn this into a proposal pretty easily. xxx-ipv6-plan.txt Here's a survey of what we need to do for IPv6 support that I started writing. It's not a proposal; it's a survey of proposal and implementation statuses. xxx-pluggable-transport.txt Here's the thing Jacob and I have been working on for pluggable obfuscation techniques. It should get turned into "Draft" status asap, if not "Open". We should finish writing the missing sections, like, yesterday. xxx-port-knocking.txt Here's a pre-proposal from Jacob about using port knocking to make bridges harder to fingerprint. This could be a good idea for somebody to do in terms of the pluggable transport spec. xxx-rate-limit-exits.txt Here are some notes of Roger's from 2008 claiming that we should rate-limit stream creation at exit nodes. It could help avoid port-scans if we do it right, but we would need to be exceedingly careful not to disrupt useful traffic. xxx-using-spdy.txt Here's a document from Steven about opportunistic use of SPDY over Tor. This should be a "Draft" proposal IMO. xxx-what-uses-sha1.txt Here's the beginnings of a survey of where Tor uses SHA1, with an eye to stopping. This really isn't a design proposal; it might fall into a new category of "issue survey" or "information" or something.

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SSL Observatory Observations
by Tim Wilde 25 Feb '11

25 Feb '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 G'morning all! Last weekend's hackfest inspired me to attempt to run some numbers on the EFF SSL Observatory data[1], in particular looking at two things: the commonality of the "Internet Widgits Pty" organization string (a default in OpenSSL's CSR generator) in self-signed certificate subjects, and, further to that, the most commonly seen self-signed certificates in the data. Using the CSV data from the observatory, I found that out of 5,618,558 total certs in the all-certs file, only 8,891 contained subjects that matched the regex /Internet Widg[ie]ts Pty/ (a quick search observed both spellings; my OpenSSL used Widgits, FWIW. I further recorded the subjects of all certs where subject == issuer, and counted each, with the following results for the top 10: ' C=--, ST=SomeState, L=SomeCity, O=SomeOrganization, OU=SomeOrganizationalUnit, CN=localhost.localdomain/emailAddress=root(a)localhost.localdomain': 154867 ' C=US, ST=California, L=Sunnyvale, O=HTTPS Management Certificate for SonicWALL (self-signed), OU=HTTPS Management Certificate for SonicWALL (self-signed), CN=192.168.168.168': 111453 ' C=US, ST=Virginia, L=Herndon, O=Parallels, OU=Plesk, CN=plesk/emailAddress=info(a)plesk.com': 82689 ' CN=Fortinet, O=Fortinet Ltd.': 54975 ' C=US, ST=Virginia, L=Herndon, O=SWsoft, Inc., OU=Plesk, CN=plesk/emailAddress=info(a)plesk.com': 53184 ' C=USA, ST=California, L=Sunnyvale, O=HTTPS Management Certificate for SonicWALL (self-signed), OU=HTTPS Management Certificate for SonicWALL (self-signed), CN=192.168.168.168': 22987 ' CN=SpeedTouch 605, O=THOMSON, OU=DSL Internet Gateway Device': 16790 ' C=US, ST=Someprovince, L=Sometown, O=none, OU=none, CN=localhost/emailAddress=webaster@localhost': 16638 ' CN=SpeedTouch 5x6, O=THOMSON, OU=DSL Internet Gateway Device': 15286 ' C=US, ST=CA, L=Sunnyvale, O=SonicWALL, Inc., OU=SSL-VPN, CN=192.168.200.1': 11760 (Apologies for the lousy wrapping; initial spaces are present in the source data.) The numbers after the colons are, as you may guess, the total number of self-signed certificates with that subject. It may be instructive to dig into the netblocks where these subjects occur and attempt to determine the context in which they occur. For the purposes of making Tor appear unblockable due to collateral damage, my strong suspicion is that these will not be all that helpful, as they are quite likely (and in some cases, clearly) used by CPE devices and the like for internal management, and thus won't really be likely to cause much difficulty for the censors if blocked. My personal thinking is that the methodology in Jake's TLS normalization proposal[2] makes a lot of sense. Perhaps one modification, per the discussion at the hackfest, would be to stick to making the server's presented certificates self-signed, as that is probably more normal than having random unknown issuers, and less provably false than faking a known issuer like GoDaddy. Even ignoring the question of whether or not a censor may be willing to sustain the collateral damage of blocking one of the common self-signed subjects above, by using a commonName that varies per bridge/relay and other certificate fields that also vary widely (and in fact may be randomized to some extent), we don't present any blockable static values in our certificate subject or issuer and can focus on other fun stuff in the certs. :) Hopefully Jake hasn't already made this all a moot point while I was in the other room working with Andrew on Saturday and I just haven't heard about it yet. :) Further thoughts/discussions/flames welcome (but only if the flames come from Mike). Regards, Tim [1] https://www.eff.org/observatory [2] https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob/HEAD:/doc/spec/proposals/ideas/x… - -- Tim Wilde, Senior Software Engineer, Team Cymru, Inc. twilde(a)cymru.com | +1-630-230-5433 | http://www.team-cymru.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1idPgACgkQluRbRini9tgmZACfSBNRhJ+ozVgIyDIdA4nWbOpI 25oAnRbbXvMkA+ttGkStfB2VFkcal1jd =vU04 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [tor-dev] Publishing sanitized bridge pool assignments
by Karsten Loesing 25 Feb '11

25 Feb '11

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:00:40PM +0100, Karsten Loesing wrote: > So, I implemented the new sanitizing algorithm that replaces bridge IPs > with 10.x.x.x addresses derived from the original bridge IPs. I also > sanitized the descriptors from November 2008 and performed an early > analysis on the results. > > The last remaining step is to sanitize our archives of bridge descriptors > once again and make the sanitized data available. I don't expect to have > new tarballs before next Tuesday. The new tarballs are available here: https://metrics.torproject.org/data.html#bridgedesc > Before publishing the new tarballs, I'd like to invite people to review > the new sanitizing process: > > - A specification-like description of the sanitizing process is in > Section 3 of https://metrics.torproject.org/papers/data-2011-02-10.pdf > > - The early analysis results of bridges changing their IP addresses are > here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2435#comment:3 > > - The tarball with sanitized bridge descriptors from November 2008 is > here (6.2M): > http://freehaven.net/~karsten/volatile/bridge-descriptors-hashed-ips-2008-1… > > Any questions, comments, and concerns are highly appreciated! Feedback still much appreciated! Best, Karsten

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Proposal idea: Require majority of authorities to vote for consensus parameters
by Sebastian Hahn 22 Feb '11

22 Feb '11

Filename: xxx-param-voting.txt Title: Require majority of authorities to vote for consensus parameters Author: Sebastian Hahn Created: 16-Feb-2011 Status: Draft Overview: The consensus that the directory authorities create may contain one or more parameters (32-bit signed integers) that influence the behavior of Tor nodes (see proposal 167, "Vote on network parameters in consensus" for more details). Currently (as of consensus method 11), a consensus will end up containing a parameter if at least one directory authority votes for that paramater. The value of the parameter will be the low-median of all the votes for this parameter. This proposal aims at changing this voting process to be more secure against tampering by a non-majority of directory authorities. Motivation: To prevent a minority of the directory authorities from influencing the value of a parameter unduly, the majority of directory authorities has to vote for that parameter. This is not currently happening, and it was in fact not uncommon for a single authority to govern the value of a consensus parameter. Design: When the consensus is generated, the directory authorities ensure that a param is only included in the list of params if at least half of the total number of authorities votes for that param. The value chosen is the low-median of all the votes. We don't mandate that the authorities have to vote on exactly the same value for it to be included because some consensus parameters could be the result of active measurements that individual authorities make. Security implications: This change is aimed at improving the security of Tor nodes against attacks carried out by a minority of directory authorities. It is possible that a consensus parameter that would be helpful to the network is not included because not enough directory authorities voted for it, but since clients are required to have sane defaults in case the parameter is absent this does not carry a security risk. Specification: dir-spec section 3.4 currently says: Entries are given on the "params" line for every keyword on which any authority voted. The values given are the low-median of all votes on that keyword. It is proposed that the above is changed to: Entries are given on the "params" line for every keyword on which a majority of authorities (total authorities, not just those participating this vote) voted on. The values given are the low-median of all votes on that keyword. XXX note previous behaviour. The following should be added to the bottom of section 3.4.: * If consensus method 12 or later is used, only consensus parameters that more than half of the total number of authorities voted for are included in the consensus. The following line should be added to the bottom of section 3.4.1.: "12" -- Params are only included if a majority voted for them Compatibility: A sufficient number of directory authorities must upgrade to the new consensus method used to calculate the params in the way this proposal calls for, otherwise the old mechanism is used. Nodes that do not act as directory authorities do not need to be upgraded and should experience no change in behaviour. Implementation: An example implementation of this feature can be found in https://gitweb.torproject.org/sebastian/tor.git, branch safer_params.

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Re: [tor-dev] xxx-draft-spec-for-TLS-normalization.txt
by Nick Mathewson 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

Aha. Let's see if I have the tor-dev address right at long long last. Apologies to Peter, who will have received more than one copy of this already. (Apparently , I am told, the "lists." in tor-dev(a)lists.torproject.org is not optional.) On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Nick Mathewson <nickm(a)freehaven.net> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Peter Gutmann > <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote: >> Nick Mathewson <nickm(a)freehaven.net> writes: >> >>>Preliminary results suggest that there wasn't actually a crowd here: the >>>reason that we switched the browser DH paramaters in the most recent releases >>>is that the old (standard!) primes were in fact blocked by at least one >>>nation-level censor because we used them. It seems that in practice, if we >>>want to blend with a crowd, we need to use the hardwired DH parameters from >>>mod_ssl. >> >> So the SSL handshake was blocked if you used the Oakley (RFC 2412) DH values? > > Just the 1024-bit one, I would guess (the one in section E.2 of > RFC2412, a.k.a. the one from RFC2409 section 6.2, a.k.a Second Oakley > Group). Or to be precise, we used to use that group, and then we were > blocked, and when we changed to a different group, we weren't. It > might be that they were blocking based on more than one factor, only > one of which was the use of the prime in a TLS ephemeral DH handshake. > >> Is there a server in said location for which access gets blocked that I could >> test against? I'd love to try some variations on SSL handshakes to see what >> gets blocked and what doesn't. > > The use in question was a client in the country trying to connect to a > server outside the country, and the server providing this DH parameter > value. I'll ask our contacts if they can get you shell access there.

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Fw: curvecpclient+curvecpserver alpha test
by Robert Ransom 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

See below. Robert Ransom Begin forwarded message: Date: 21 Feb 2011 02:51:21 -0000 From: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb(a)cr.yp.to> To: curvecp(a)list.cr.yp.to Subject: curvecpclient+curvecpserver alpha test Hi everybody, I've posted information about CurveCP at http://curvecp.org; and today's release of NaCl includes command-line curvecpclient and curvecpserver tools. There are many reasons that this curvecpclient+curvecpserver software isn't ready for users yet---among other things, * the software hasn't gone through anywhere near my usual levels of testing and security review; * the software prioritizes simplicity over efficiency in several ways, missing some of the speed that CurveCP can provide; and * the software handles only CurveCP, without HTTPCurve, SMTPCurve, etc. ---but if you're a programmer interested in CurveCP then I think this software is a reasonable starting point for experimentation and further development. ---D. J. Bernstein Research Professor, Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago

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Re: [tor-dev] Thoughts on https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/dev/SupportPolicy
by Lucky Green 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

On 2011-02-02 09:02, Nick Mathewson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> wrote: >> >> On 2011-01-25 01:09, Erinn Clark wrote: [...] >> >> Erinn, >> >> My feedback is that the Tor Project really, really will want a written >> >> and published policy of how far back an OS is supposed to be supported. >> >> Otherwise, you will get to have this discussion every time a new OS >> >> version is released. >> >> >> >> Industry standard for consumer software that goes into the far corners >> >> of the world is "current and previous major version", which has >> >> different meanings depending on OS. > > > > Hi, Lucky! I generally agree with you, but I do want to point out a > > point that makes me balk at applying your experience without more > > consideration. > > > > It seems to me that the "industry standard for computer consumer > > software" is chosen to serve the goals of the software industry: that > > is, to sell software to people who can pay for it. As a means to that > > end, commercial software enterprises sometimes additionally support > > marginal userbases (those who can't pay, those who can't pay much) in > > order to increase the install base of their software and provide > > positive network effects for their paying customers. > > > > We're in a slightly different position: we're achieving our mission to > > the extent that lots of users -- whether they can pay or not! -- can > > use our software. Also, we want volunteers with free (to them) > > bandwidth to be able to run our server software on the hardware and > > software they have lying around. > > > > I suspect that, when all is said and done, the set of operating > > systems that it makes sense to support in the commercial software > > industry will work out to be almost the same as the ones Tor want to > > support -- but the reasoning is a little different, since industry > > needs to optimize profit-per-developer-hour, and we're trying to > > optimize social-benefit-per-developer-hour. Hmm. My emails on this topic must have been quite poorly written to result in your feedback about them focusing on what I had intended to be little more than a footnote or parenthetical at the very end of the communication thread. I am aware of and concur that Tor's success metrics are different from those of most commercial software vendors. My analysis was entirely focused on helping Tor devise the best OS version support policy possible while assuming Tor's goal of "social-benefit-per-developer-hour". My bad if that was not clear from my writings. Though I am not quite certain what the best path would have been for me to take: omit any references to commercial software development best practices, even in annexes and footnotes, when discussing open source software? Somehow that doesn't strike me as the optimal answer. But be that as it may, I assure you wholeheartedly that my analysis was solely intended to guide Tor and its ecosystem, not that of commercial software development. Either way, even more core to my advice than which particular OS versions to support (the one area where any dichotomy between open source and the commercial world may or may not come in) was my point that Tor needs a written and published OS support policy, agreed-upon by the Tor team. Whichever version support policy the Tor team may arrive at and for whatever reasons. And whether or not the Tor team takes my advice as to which particular versions to support. --Lucky

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Re: [tor-dev] or-dev mailing list migration February 19, 2011
by Andrew Lewman 20 Feb '11

20 Feb '11

And this is complete. Mail archive migration is coming soon. On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:37:20 -0500 Andrew Lewman <andrew(a)torproject.org> wrote: > A reminder that this migration occurs this weekend. > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:28:30 -0500 > Andrew Lewman <andrew(a)torproject.org> wrote: > > > Hello or-dev subscribers, > > > > On February 19, 2011, we are migrating or-dev from or-dev(a)seul.org > > to tor-dev(a)lists.torproject.org. We will migrate your e-mail > > address's subscription to the new list. You will receive a > > confirmation from the new mailing list software on the 19th. > > > > Current or-dev archives will be migrated. Roger plans to leave the > > current archives in place at seul.org as well. > > > > We're using this migration to spread administration out to Tor's > > sysadmin team rather than making Roger do everything himself. The > > secondary benefits of having the lists on the torproject.org domain > > include SSL-enabled login, archives, and easier account management. > > > > You can subscribe to the new list at > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev > > > > I will send out a reminder on the day of the migration. > > > > Please e-mail tor-assistants(a)torproject.org with any questions. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -- Andrew pgp 0x74ED336B

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