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Tor hangs at startup
by spriver 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the Tor software has a odd behaviour on my Debian machine; it hangs when I start it via "service start tor" on my Debian (Wheezy 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2) with Tor (0.2.4.26-1): service tor start [ ok ] Starting tor daemon... And then nothing happens anymore, I have to kill the dialog with ^C. As I figured out Tor starts correctly in the background (the logfile tells me so) and also opens my ORport and Dirport (netstat told me). Is this a bug or a behaviour that is supposed to be that way? Cheers, spriver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVHEYUAAoJEMkUf8VoejgP1GYP+wWnfllpVIC942S6PvHW9lx0 wPp6aHYBFL46Fg/r2pO8+rz7L1E1M72V0lYiqkiuzRs7IW2DYgfBVMpTz5+EoPk4 vGf+vPnyDR5hmVEM4sJbtfawb7CsK6dps/4sU6QuxfPCQE8IEII4JxbP8krobrcL 7nQAr8PPwVnuwbZGf9eqHNN4fZUnmZv8bPTtwpPB7ie8lOMzeJVCiEMU8NXKIe3K 9Wui7vatgNvTqldrHLI0DJZRJJ86V/+Q4aSJ6hvH0C7JuB+tO7sOLlplIKLxYkb5 eXFzBUhqESslsGc07k8wVhytaYSEhsG3Y0xh18gcA2rZF3kf6zi4roK2wWECyV+/ 7WsVQhQ0zJm2CUbprYKCAMqBHGm2fKdRLo+OyXQCzfO/Gn75NX2aWZBaAjZ3Ppt5 IMTdQh9UZzEPnrogjLVRwq8JvQBKNgMVe72zstMvnGtqevJuvu8bY/2EjAoK9085 UBiJyaOM8VoCf0CeEgiXijzf3dtzL6FSA78kQFlb1KWNm20PJxWaZ4YqK1vWHP/o vHWz8w0252WaM1WF1raQFqVuMz4z5QFrjMOeGxkDoq2kDVaYDfwifQntzgspqOgG CJzefHrob3cAEDPoFlPiod8k/RxHg9e1nJnLYORCbCuh5pqGL95NCA6f6/zE7xxb eeu7eDN823KTBbwriyrU =RZWR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PT-themed stuffed animals: huggable transports
by David Fifield 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

In an effort to improve pluggable transports' visual identity, we should introduce a line of stuffed animals. The only rule that the the animal's name has to be made out of the transport name. The meek meerkat! [1] The obfs blobfish! [2] The FTE eft! [3] The flash proxy banded quail (Philortyx fasciatus)! [4] The ScrambleSuit bumblebee (Bombus centralis)! [5] Call now, operators are standing by. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerkat [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blobfish [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eft [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philortyx_fasciatus [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombus_centralis

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Raptor
by Liste 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

Some people say to track tor users there is a tool named raptor. It uses the packet data recognition to track via AS the data streams between tor hosts. Can be a good idea to split, merge, change the packet order, the data streams etc... to obfuscate the traffic with an algotithm to create false data recostruction? Example: Alice --->node-> node -> node --> Bob1 ----> False/EndOfStream ^ ^v ^v ^v ^v | \------- node <- node <- node <-- node ---------/ If a complex network is created and some random data and connection are added to negotiate the data obfuscation, is very difficult to track a single data stream or packet. When the data arrival, send some data (same payload size)to a random loop circuit. What do you think?

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0.2.7 triage [almost there!]
by Isabela 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

Hello there! we are almost done with the triage of 0.2.7 - we have a good chunk of tickets organized into 2 groups at the spreadsheet. Now what I would like to ask people from today till our next IRC meeting (Core Tor meeting on Wednesday) is shape group 1 to be our final list. What that means? Review what is in there and what is not in there. We have added an extra column for you to have a chance to nominate things out of group 1 or to be added to group 1 (things from group 2). We are also asking that folks try to balance nominations always towards having more negative ones than positive ones (we don't want group 1 to end up with 200 tickets again :)) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H_kAcQQ-NpGpKWG9RlF3w-NhruKKE9EZJcR… Thanks for playing it! See ya on Wednesday) Isabela

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What's going on with websocket user numbers?
by David Fifield 31 Mar '15

31 Mar '15

I noticed there's a big increase in reported users of the websocket transport in the past few weeks, from about 5 to over 50. https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-transport.html?graph=userst… "websocket" is the transport name that flash proxy uses. I checked the bridge for flash proxy, and it doesn't seem to be used notably more often in the last weeks than before. https://globe.torproject.org/#/bridge/9DD7D759971D03E70F0181B4E6D5F7735E7BF… There are other bridges out there that also support the websocket transport. I don't know who's running them. I appended a list at the end of this message. It comes from grepping for "websocket" in https://onionoo.torproject.org/details?type=bridge&fields=nickname,hashed_f… Most of them seem to be related; namely, there are a lot with these characteristics: 80 <= ORPort <= 105 platform = Tor 0.2.7.0-alpha-dev on Linux transports = ["websocket","fte","obfs3","scramblesuit"] Morlock-sounding nicknames: ashrak, bashaak, delmac, gonach... The only bridges not belonging to this set are C3L (ORPort = 8118), giygas (my bridge), and nerds (ORPort = 9052, platform = Tor 0.2.5.11 on Linux"). It's possible that the new websocket users are using one of these other bridges. It's also possible, since the bridges run more than one transport, that the users are actually using some other transport, and they are mistakenly being counted for websocket: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2014-September/007483.html A lot of them have last_restarted of 2015-03-14 or 2014-03-25, which fall roughly where the user increase is on the metrics graphs. Maybe they were recently rebooted with support for the websocket transport. David Fifield {"nickname":"ashrak","hashed_fingerprint":"F1C465D38F18091F6FED9CAC924DA50F2813C0AE","or_addresses":["10.219.160.68:80"],"platform":"Tor 0.2.7.0-alpha-dev on Linux","transports":["websocket","fte","obfs3","scramblesuit"]}, {"nickname":"bashaak1","hashed_fingerprint":"196FC9A50B1F3828730C11C4E1DD5B55F979F548","or_addresses":["10.152.136.2:80"],"platform":"Tor 0.2.7.0-alpha-dev on Linux","transports":["obfs3","scramblesuit","websocket","fte"]}, {"nickname":"bashaak2","hashed_fingerprint":"F76FB49B6B1CC1BB23618A20A2D6E8B1509BF7BC","or_addresses":["10.128.21.28:81"],"platform":"Tor 0.2.7.0-alpha-dev on Linux","transports":["obfs3","scramblesuit","websocket","fte"]}, {"nickname":"benna2","hashed_fingerprint":"3665A4A74A6554CA03122AFBC9C3C6C5AD2F9BC6","or_addresses":["10.35.205.157:83"],"platform":"Tor 0.2.7.0-alpha-dev on Linux","transports":["obfs3","scramblesuit","websocket","fte"]}, 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maintenance status of atlas or globe
by Nusenu 31 Mar '15

31 Mar '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.) thanks, Nusenu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVFqYBAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0u1QQAKSai+lYibASpYdqUFnfka7E APq5zGYnkR1I9KGTR8aL9+Z/dlEzl2fCCztwyfFZPYFudh/qzPtSPDUInLvDE/za 3X25hbCHwyW9Q7jQKAYWYuYWACE1S4F62e6TFzoT20gga1EhldBO+FqL943D7DuV 4FPT6lkWuPtZKF5X3gb0tkS6d48o5NYSp3RhFsowX2Y3SfdoRnTa86QbQ+2k9g7K R2W6f53c6jxwUU8MC4W3Tqc2JykojFbZADvwi8QxJ+4KlxWimG6PDshuJoY+sdsX R0n5o0L986uAn9CA5K5s/ANLkl9cYgt/oxptsY4HWSFKAh6xjdQBSYt5qjXI+KxL d1PDPdGXjolePsjUv/md+hnoRVjo4FCjx+5aQw23QhGaCi9Np0E87rF2xuUNmszs y9F/niXvNJMp1OIhVDeTinLm18lkOVCoGz/UkHdbiBj5md/5GTfql3zp2Nssku30 O+hUOEuvTJ0mousMglFeWRiO2UiliU55qTEbIUV5o4YVCK4uWA11v06so6dI4FNh bRwqUTsnzU/PqLdvgDUP3fiZXizVoxQB+KMzwnmroV+QmL+cnAR7ac8hU/PfPH/F nC/lONV5ZiXnmBZXvHTnIUBeHRwtQi48rDWtNLnSQmRN3i8jwP1NiUmuyKXZgA2a 6+cGVMKBA+Xy2sBciw9y =2YsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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#14997: canonical path to tor alpha debian repo
by Nusenu 30 Mar '15

30 Mar '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Erinn, it would be great if there was a canonical path to tor alpha releases (like the RPM repo provides) so people that choose to use alpha releases would not have to change their apt sources.list as soon as a new major tor version is released. What do you think about #14997? https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/14997 I guess this would not be big effort - simply creating a subfolder for the alpha builds would do it? thanks, Nusenu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVGTW8AAoJEFv7XvVCELh0zmIP/2Whg3TTSFVXTmvV4dz0oJaq 5caVsMJcKqeNXSxhg5hs4oVVpJco5wSdMrFkz384svFNGvhbnEsPxVy24tLjUw0O EUUzw6MQ4nbL4sEV9AjjVDKTcvPPM9l4jTfLb5/l49j6X9TNmW/DLJ3qm3/KHlM/ ny3Jzm9fXIu37WjkBfGJf5FDspLNKSOVkLj2tSXe/DURZ86caRH+HJkWD6cu4A+L QtfgZgFrmSS1oLwXsvt8PB5b7Hf7uoQlNoAJiS1WneEYlREZA1B9Jj/hdjtbUbaE pS46bFGghl6l8JVkaheHauCkc5sCXQegRQ4b4280ENmGqNcWyVQiIHwJ0q1xiI5G 88oMniG3SAELvsTBWd9idH2gkvst82qtHpq8kpA0Vk1TvbL1M6gI9YECf7f2VeMi w2zZSCgeCmI509GEsG53PiR2uj+7VGPSbSTeUlLXBOx9u0Qlt8UHhSwR58LJrp7C 79RzJxoXbJKWhPmNjIbcr2xX4TYyIqtmPvq6NCq3DpF73X/XrNPE9hF2t1PHPbR5 3rhgt4NyU65Oj8T79CHn1u7Lgd2VGaYf3hVnAHd+M1R270APhGu30Qur+Y6ta/54 3m0Ai81QRdxXZSJbRGZiAUhEh+bq1MMrj/aFZtBaVzT0tT5pDcdnIzAKeLPSbsRT UkiJp34p8BB6FoFel1uc =Znzj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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What is the unit of the bw reported in the descriptor?
by Thee Chanyaswad 30 Mar '15

30 Mar '15

Dear all, Following the earlier question about the gap between total bw reported, what is the unit of the bw shown? The Torspec doc says it's in Byte/s. Is this still correct? Thank you very much. Best Regards, Thee

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HS bi-weekly community meeting
by Isabela 29 Mar '15

29 Mar '15

Hello there, I am very sorry for this to be taking so long. I keep forgetting about it! I created a poll for us to pick a day/time and start a bi-weekly meeting for the HS community. This was something we spoke in Valencia and the members of the community think is a good idea (a place to talk about HS in general not only sponsorR stuff). The times proposed at the poll are the most common time we meet (in UTC time) and for the slots where there is no meeting going on at #dev-tor. http://doodle.com/xnxugpt9fb7rvch2 Please vote! Thanks isabela

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Renaming arm
by Damian Johnson 29 Mar '15

29 Mar '15

Hmmm, thread about something as squishing and infinitely debatable as a name. What could go wrong? But before you get excited I've already picked one, this is just to sanity check with the community that I'm not making a stupid mistake... again. Five years ago when I started arm [1] I had the following criteria for picking its name... 1. It needs to be short. This is a terminal command so anything lengthy is just begging people to alias it down. 2. It should be reasonably memorable. Sorry, no 'z62*'. 3. No naming conflict with other technical things. Body parts though are fair game though. Clearly the name failed at #3. When I picked it the ARM processor was just barely becoming a thing, but time marched on and now every irc discussion goes... new_person: New relay operator here, any tips? somebody: Hey, try arm! new_person: The processor? I'm so confused now. somebody: Nope, something completely different. It's a confusing name. I'm rewriting the whole bloody codebase so why not fix this along the way? So without further ado the name I've picked is 'Seth'. It's easy to type (#1), memorable (#2), and from what I can tell no SETH processors are on the horizon. I've reserved the name on PyPI, and searchs on wikipedia looks fine (most interesting match is the Egyptian god [2], which is actually kinda neat). So now just a final sanity check with you, our wonderful community. Any strong reasons to pick something else? Nothing is set in stone yet so still open to alternatives. Cheers! -Damian [1] https://www.atagar.com/arm/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28mythology%29

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