January 2014 - www-team - lists.torproject.org

Analytics Data?
by Sean Rafferty 12 Jan '14

12 Jan '14

Is there any analytics data for the current site such as google analytics? Having this data will help prioritize the features that get developed. It's always very difficult to rebuild every feature in the MVP when replacing a website. The MVP should have only the most important ie most used features. Too often people assume what the most important features are when the analytics show otherwise. Some features are obvious (download tor) but priorities can get less clear quickly. The analytics make it much easier to focus on the right things for MVP. Sent from my iPhone

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A Novice Take On **Markdown**
by Clark Venable 11 Jan '14

11 Jan '14

As a non-coder, I sat down this morning to learn more about Markdown. I can read html and css, though would be hard-pressed to create a valid document if given a blank page in a text editor. I use Wordpress and Joomla and can edit those template files on my Mac in Coda and BBEdit. (I mention this just to let you know where I'm coming from.) I have little interest in what is happening behind the front end. It's just a tool for me to share information with my family, friends, company, and world. I like what I write to look nice--like what I see on professional web sites. When I edit files I am constantly flipping back and forth between html and WYSIWYG view to make sure things look as they exists in my minds' eye. My first thought is that, were someone not currently familiar with Markdown to come to the Tor site with an idea for an addition, the need to spend time (even though it's only a little time) to learn how to write Markdown does raise the *activation energy*, so to speak. Just a little bit of time on Google and I found an article titled [78 Tools for Writing and Previewing Markdown]( http://mashable.com/2013/06/24/markdown-tools/) I like the fact that there are tools that allow me to view the markdown and html result side by side. Providing this 'split view' type of editor to potential contributors would lower the activation energy for someone new to markdown. And this is where I really see the value of using a tool like Drupal on the front end if we simply think of it as a way for getting things into a database with a user-friendly front-end. Once in the database, we can use all sorts of plugins and tools to convert that content to static html files directly or to some intermediate format like Markdown and feed it to a static site generator like Jekyll. Respectfully, -- Clark Venable

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Site maintenance vs site use
by Clark Venable 10 Jan '14

10 Jan '14

It may be important to differentiate how the content for the site is *maintained* from how the site is *rendered* for the end-user. What I believe Jekyll does (and other tools like it--I used to use Userland Frontier for this), is allow one to maintain the content of the site as individual files (or a large flat file database like Frontier), but then allow the computer to do what computers are good at--all the relative links for navigation, for example, or using includes to add boilerplate. If you want to change the navigation on each and every page you could make the change in ONE place, re-render the site in HTML (or any markup language you like, for that matter), and publish it for users on a static server or to browse from their file system. -- Clark Venable

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[IA] Sitemap for the current torproject.org?
by Rey Dhuny 10 Jan '14

10 Jan '14

I've been having a look at torproject.org and was wondering if an accurate sitemap exists for the current iteration? This would be useful in having an overview of the current structure and being able to see how and what existing content could be migrating to torproject.org 2.0. I've used a generic sitemap generator to help get my head around what's currently there though it's not very readable and I can't guarantee accuracy: https://gist.github.com/rey/8320798. Rey -- reyhan.org

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acronym limit reached
by I 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

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Re: [Tor www-team] [UI][Visual-Identity]
by Olssy 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

Hijacking this thread just to rename the subject so people can set up e-mail filters if they want. Subject nomenclature is* [Tor www-team][sub-team][issue] *where sub-team is one of: UI, Graphic Design, Tech-writer, Translator, Graphic-design, Front-end, Back-end, Tester (accessibility would touch UI, graphic design and front-end) On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Rey Dhuny <rey(a)spcshp.com> wrote: > Welcome Marck! > > > I know this is not the core subject here, but what about the visual > identity of Tor project? Any plans to update/revamp the brand? > > I believe the visual identity of the Tor Project is very important though > it has yet to be mentioned. It's clearly an important part of 3.0 but has > yet to be discussed. > > I wonder if there exists any style guides/branding guidelines for the Tor > Project? > > Rey > > On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:31, Marck Al <marckal(a)me.com> wrote: > > Hi, I'm Marck and I'm a graphic designer willing to help with UI and > visual identity. I have more the 10 years of experience in several kind of > visual/strategic projects (nitrocorpz.com - my company). > > I know this is not the core subject here, but what about the visual > identity of Tor project? Any plans to update/revamp the brand? > > Excited to be here. > > -Marck > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > > To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > > To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > >

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Re: [Tor www-team] [UI][Personas]
by Olssy 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

Hijacking this thread just to rename the subject so people can set up e-mail filters if they want. Subject nomenclature is *[Tor www-team][sub-team][issue] *where sub-team is one of: UI, Graphic Design, Tech-writer, Translator, Graphic-design, Front-end, Back-end, Tester (accessibility would touch UI, graphic design and front-end) On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Marina Brown <catskillmarina(a)gmail.com>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/09/2014 12:32 PM, Silviu Riley wrote: > > Maybe simplify it even further to job or simple description: > > > > The Student The Journalist The Researcher The Donor The Engineer > > The Activist The Dissident (might need even more protection than > > The Activist) > > I'd add the following categories. > > Whistleblower - they may only use tor once. > User - they use tor for safety or simply to get around censorship. > When i use tor on Amtrak i fall into this category. > > Under User there might be Stalking victim. > > I think it is a mistake to try to factor out cultures or groups in > descriptions because that makes us less likely to think about languages > and cultural constraints a person might need to work around. > > I do feel that accessibility to sight impared people is also another > very important category. > > - --- Marina > > > > > > > > This gets away from names, which reference specific cultures (Habib > > the dissident implies a foreign leaning to the persona. Dissidents > > might be located anywhere in the world) > > > > Reference the personas by capitalizing the name (The Journalist vs. > > the journalist) > > > > Silviu. On Jan 9, 2014 12:17 PM, "Sam E. Lawrence" > > <selbrit(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> For these personas (which I think are a good idea), does it make > >> more sense for us to use names that are easier to remember, so > >> while we're having conversations we can easily recallthem? I know > >> for myself, I'm going to have a hard time remembering whether > >> it's Angela or Tony that's the journalist, and I think their last > >> names are irrelevant. > >> > >> Does it make more sense to use persona types like: > >> > >> *S*am the *S*tudent *J*ulie the *J*ournalist *R*ob the (Security) > >> *R*esearcher *D*ave the *D*octor (or *D*onor) *E*arl the (DevOps) > >> *E*ngineer *A*dam the (Political) *A*ctivist. > >> > >> You know, Bob the Builder sort of thing. Easy to remember. > >> > >> Thoughts from the team, particularly those who will be involved > >> in documentation and guides? > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Rey Dhuny <rey(a)spcshp.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Max Jakob Mass: > >>> > >>>> I've added the persona of a cautious activist under an > >>>> orpressive > >>> regime: > >>> > >>> Thank you very much for adding that persona. I have made some > >>> tweaks to it for readability: > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website?action=diff&version=3… > >>> > >>> > >>> > Rey > >>> > >>> On Thursday, 9 January 2014 at 11:15, Max Jakob Maass wrote: > >>> > > I've added the persona of a cautious activist under an orpressive > > regime: > > > > ``` ## Habib Itamar, Dissident, 24 > > > > Habib is a political activist under an orpressive regime which > > uses heavy internet filtering. From a friend, he received a USB > > stick with a bootable Tails Live System. He does not know how Tor > > works and what he has to keep in mind when using it, and will not > > connect the system to the internet without knowing more about this > > (he can only access the version of the website we will distribute > > with Tails). ``` > > > > Max > > > > On 09.01.2014 12:06, Rey Dhuny wrote: > > > > I've since added the persona for a Tor Relay Operator: > > > > ``` ## Stephan Earls, DevOps Engineer, 27 > > > > Stephan is a DevOps Engineer for a startup where he is responsible > > for network infrastructure, automation and data management. As a > > strong believer in the Tor Project he has been a Tor Relay > > Operator for a little over a year and has encouraged two of his > > colleagues to do the same. ``` > > > > Rey > > > > On Thursday, 9 January 2014 at 10:36, Rey Dhuny wrote: > > > > I've taken the liberty of sketching out some personas so we have > > somewhere to start from and build on: > > > > ``` ## Tony Johnson, Student, aged 21 > > > > Tony is a second year student at university who is studying > > international business. Tony has recently heard about Tor through > > recent mentions in the national news and would like to discover > > more about it Particularly he has heard from a friend that it could > > be used to protect his web browsing whilst using the university > > campus public wifi. > > > > ## Angela Thomas, Journalist, aged 39 > > > > Angela is a journalist who has been writing about online privacy > > for the past year and would like to write a feature about Tor. > > Although she has previously experimented with Tor's browser bundle > > she would like further information of how the Tor infrastructure > > functions and the technical details behind how it enables online > > anonymity. > > > > ## Stephanie Davis, Security Researcher, aged 28 > > > > Stephanie is a security researcher working for a think tank. She > > has been a user of Tor since December 2011 and is a strong > > proponent for an open web. Since finding out about Tor, Stephanie > > has become involved in the Tor community contributing fixes and > > features to the Tor code base and engaging with other Tor > > contributers using the mailing lists and IRC. > > > > ## Amrit Ghuna, Doctor, aged 58 > > > > Amrit is a Doctor of Pharmacy who has been practicing for 19 years. > > Although he now lives in suburbia outside the city, before he moved > > himself and his family to Sweden he suffered political oppression > > at the hands of the government, eventually being labeled a > > dissident. After seeing first hand the effects of a restricted and > > monitored internet he was enthused to read about Tor in the local > > newspaper and would very much like to make a donation to the Tor > > Project. ``` > > > > I've also added it to the wiki: > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#ProposedPersonas > > > > Thoughts welcome and requested! > > > > > > Rey > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > > > >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > >>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > >>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > >> > >> To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > > > > To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQQcBAEBAgAGBQJSzw02AAoJEGFB2/L+HHT16tof/RO0BNuj/SThkxI3/qR6EybJ > X4sgtGPiMEAyHdumpCTT48Tu8Ecp/p/iK1kysbDCkMRh0yyFwx4rK2h7a3/GHe24 > /gAa9ZGD4UHtAljx3dJuOO5Fbf4CbL25Z9ZIShqli2VI+K7yaQktLi14zmZGv5kJ > 2mMPTk/i7LWS7tYH6hEfT55J8yGZ68bE+mSdHRM2PH8y47RH9DyBNC9YnprCmBga > w4XqyGR0BAECPBkzBRjKdYeacIICShmGtHid2r9UW1wn7pTJHGRHvs/hSricCuk5 > tbJOHs60QPJD56ybVzKqer/hjLD3bYoaJsSClnFP69G6y1KWMH+CrUxx1AahiKGm > setSE/BPgg0UPHQnQ3ZbMie6AupCxAWftwu2fIWBxXpF9bRhlZus4+Y+AmdCQYAd > Dqz8gs0+b1DFIwBbzV5bnu+EkoAerLRqjjPNIazSFjr2aO6DYdbzn3R5BH2PTvOG > KtsDCxVUinHCTIfu8JHG+Jo8UMg+01kV2yBw3K4V3rCfZD8gMIH2+KuUUWoQ00vt > ExMOGmDZhHzr71/sJpCoHrwb5ZlaDkTdFshEJRYMwUMWRrfIjP438MQ94YrI2OJv > VOw+KsW5Mze3VNzCx2RArrEo78jwPgLmDr9J5WIYIj6IMCMdW/D2V8eEwcioETd1 > KOqejcA8UiR3SH5iF5CzgHrNuGqLm29kkMyDWdykjzjORPzwEj+i7YrFXCw10G7M > z/P2U/CVIim6rmFfNzTNwG/v8+wFv7a4NOS5ySFW2MYs3lwZqoKb/jq1iYymuzai > YwvAdyXNiSoPQiEXgXx+L6ePByiEtT6lZfHpaIFrzWmo3fjUXMb215BDL8epy4Rw > uNCosTg6uxWMBaJk2lBCNJFNvNXsQWTRG8e6ljCqrx023K51Wfj5c0uuH348cD4d > sLW259foZbD3MHJ7ULxwrBEmt7Pa5e3hE03N82D9Oynel6FCgkWFTsrEySBTYHby > ACPssLFd34Zdfg5ULvX8Zvu2wh9nURM1DB7RK/YvF7CWeFQ5nm3UZj5wkd6TLJsD > Pv/mUn8abAS9gIZHHqEIHlyvpnByj/Rabu+NBopMCqpovt11mtMhME0d1bSIRSiG > aW3l+YjPKmDzaJ9xeO5HrU4Ta40gXxuf81f916ISBEr2gzVinKSDmGZGdRE65xSi > beJtFRatPZstxVOIPz0/b98Wo8Y61/49cE5kAC1tU21ntkBJBJOFOj3GdDF0yZIY > 9EPYxavDw0yD+CEf4smygjsuyqtxCXkyWG6JQwKmJ/N6r5AxagvT/ZdO7H4oSppY > Zyi6XGf5lU29v10DeSGOWBk+0sJ9LJIsT1/DMyoYt5O0EkMZtAaEmWf9eJTZrag= > =kOls > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________________________________ > Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list > > To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team >

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First set of technical requirements
by Lunar 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

Hi! We already have a first set of technical requirements regarding software producing Tor website: * It should generate static web pages, ready to be mirrored by our network of more than 70 mirrors. * The content must be kept in a version control system. The website was kept in Subversion, but it should probably be migrated to Git. * It needs to support the “Don't Repeat Yourself” principle for the content, e.g. the latest version of the Tor Browser Bundle needs to be kept at a single place but used at different places in the website. * It needs to support translations. A changes in a single paragraph should be easily to propagate to translators and to then to translations. Hope that clears any further misunderstandings. -- Lunar <lunar(a)torproject.org>

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Relevant (trac-)Milestones
by Max Jakob Maass 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi everyone, just to make sure everyone is aware of the different relevant tickets that are already open concerning the website, a few trac links: [0] All Tickets for component "website": Those are a lot of tickets, and only some of them are relevant to the redesign, but they should give a good overview of what improvements are required. More fine-grained milestones (subset of "component: website" tickets): [1] Website donations enhancements: Contains, among other things, feature requests, as well as a ticket for determining the most-travelled path through the Website. [2] Tor Website 3.0: The Milestone for this project Add more links if I have missed any. Max [0] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&component=Web… [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?group=status&milestone=Websi… [2] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?group=status&milestone=Tor+W… -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSzm8/XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4NEM0ODA5N0EzQUY3RDU1MTg5QTc3QUMx NjlGOTYyNDM0MDg4MjVFAAoJEBafliQ0CIJeoGQP/3WVIqIfvEFNTVFtko/CMvMM z5qrM+vpCacFy377GiOcchRUKEVkaqE0dKxm5rA4tdDTBdjEfJpAPz7Dk1lsDDaX IrcEdkEfMjUr4EW4yxQ7192XZdzcgLRW+Hb2mTjmDimtluKlPBBWG3Z4sWqUpm1a ZVxejGZsFudFN1Iu6wuhRP+CKcwxnGInW75Vrgz63ktoTnbElDiUZSRcFqDxJyOi McCaHhI9Qw/sqU4wchwNLcBoQyL+6NFbQeJJc8kiypRCtb4DKRg2df4ebCn1GohZ bHlztnoo7IsAUfYXq9Arq1o5X3DviotbUCWleOPRufCzxh4sf1wTiuyP0Gn89v+Z QQtzHTnVUDxLk/wLOex/HMtsSU+LjDWUrT9xJrhlckfzeGm9JHo83wV6xKQmnI7a INxSXqtW5xiVhJh9HJlYzoJtSAzPzXtxpRf0kBn+r2n1rpbeVENeUErUusmYkaP1 fcPWxkpo1u2/Z2fNG8btpmf1wv19ZrtLctdlNn53BP79h31QwpvT1jDlhjjLtqO0 +tNFEKjVWcQuN1wB235n2BPPHBmQu/1OErclp+F8lA5KnWvNw3rl+5CODez/jUvr g2ffoBmr6xY9mb59P3WeX0U1Q4Vs2wM6FNOgqeWxq30qp7PTOc5uywBD2wfWciVd 9DuSDaefu9i2h7cR8o22 =qMFb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Website requirements and goals
by Rohan Smith 08 Jan '14

08 Jan '14

Hey all I just bumped up the post on Hacker News about the website needing help. I am willing to assist and would like to get some high level information about the goals of this project. Tt also piqued my interest because the current site is done with Drupal and that is my area of expertise. I would like to know from those who are at the top planning this what are the main general requirements of the site and how you will facilitate a remote team working on it. Regards, -- R.A.Smith

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