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new relays
by a432511 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

Hello all, I just spun up 2 relays (1 exit, 1 non-exit) in Amsterdam using DigitalOcean as the VPS provider. It's been up for about 8 hours now. Here was the message I sent to them regarding the servers: /* Quote Hello, I just spun up a couple servers in Amsterdam to act as relays in the Tor network (see https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en) I just wanted to file this ticket so that you were aware of those servers' purpose. One is simply a non-exit relay meaning that all traffic is encrypted and ultimately routed to another tor server before it connects to the destination IP (no risk there). The other is an exit relay that establishes the final connection for the client. This box has a bit more risk because it's IP will be used for the connection. Now, according to law, the exit relay cannot be held responsible for the traffic because it is merely a pass-through server with no knowledge of the traffic - much like any ISP - but there hasn't been a firm legal precedent set yet to my knowledge. The purpose of the Tor server is to facilitate internet traffic for those that might be subject to laws that censor legitimate content (China, North Korea, Iran, etc...). It also acts as a safety net for the press so that they cannot be easily tracked when working on dangerous assignments. I read a couple other forum posts regarding your TOC and saw that you pass the liability on to the customer because you don't have control over what each droplet is used for. This is in essence the exact same case with a Tor relay. I have configured my exit relay to block a large number of ports that are typically used for torrents to reduce the possibility of any complaints. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Adam End Quote */ And here is there response: /* Quote Hello, While TOR exit-nodes are allowed under our TOS we strong discourage them because of the abuse complaints they generate. As you mentioned, you are responsible for any traffic generated by your droplets. While in the future there may be a precedent that grants safe-harbor status to TOR exit nodes, there is no such precedent under US Law at this time and the responsibility remains with you. You will be responsible to resolve any abuse complaints lodged against you related to this droplet. If we can be of any further assistance please let us know. Thanks Ryan Posted on 08/22/13 at 13:49 Gravatar Ryan Quinn End Quote */ I am based out of the US. Is there anything I should be careful with hosting an offshore Tor exit node? I already used the limited tor port list that was in the wiki. The other thing that I am weighing is just a moral question regarding misuse of the Tor network for despicable things like child porn. I understand that of all the traffic it is a small percentage and that ISPs essentially face the same dilemma, but I wonder if more can be done to make Tor resistant to evil usage. Thanks.

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How to reset AccountingMax stats?
by Steve Snyder 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

My relay has become convinced that it has reached its AccountingMax limit, though actually only 71% of it (according to my ISP) has been used. How can I reset the stats so that this miscalculation is not used for future configuration of expected network traffic? Yes, I know I can just erase /var/lib/tor, but that means starting from a new identity. I'm hoping that I can edit the state file to clear the stats. Advice? Thanks.

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???? getting silly now
by That Guy 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> The Tor devs go to great lengths to try to keep "evil" >> governments from using Tor against itself. Why not devote some >> effort toward keeping "evil" traffic off of Tor? > > >> Given the fact that "we need more relays" is the common mantra, >> it seems to me that if the Tor community could come up with a >> technical answer to address at least some of the most egregious >> abuses of Tor--things like child porn, or even porn in general, >> that either have nothing to do with Tor's foundational mission, >> or (like child porn) are antithetical to it--the result would be >> greater public support for the technology, and a wider depl Never thought I would see the day that Senetor Nanny-State would be participating in a tor-relay related mailing list... Sen. Feinstein? That you? M Bloom? too the guy who said "What the epic fucking fuck?" +1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSIdlsAAoJEGPr8mk3uIZEZosP/iKWY1Y5NXf2cM5IybyqynAx yUt1oCT/3UU9QiOvt8i6OVa26NIOZyNHzprVQwWCDJk+K9A55CFPqbiQmCQBfZgD bl8dr9ybTYjLWgT/v5dQmTxJzsGtmUx7v53nG3zio33DdWZ6A6HnvSAFOM2qmEvq yo2GBC56Eg3p/x1FvqFwrL+4vM+ZtUPKR3bRIJuXBJjl03iJ8dvHKEKdPaGXQmjd 33OyGo+2Dxp6NfRKPgorURpwENQdngAjm0oJTbT8ox0hAOWtUbl88UDr3Urz+QNs p9fe6NetgKu2w7myUeKovckO8CWXzOw0+FCtsj+0/r24FPEJGqUe8b7MyC6xyvDH RgI3e1SYEuUUIwpUFZ8vlKf70qJNpmyseL9CV0snp1gDT5Xy2tUZ7Q3BPsn7Kl2e 0r6ItZ4rNHFnKFpaZNbg21Cdx/W0MKbPB0FEImzHKGxV3XNwKqY+g3VJ8lIasnQ1 GVLUpBEAMB6v0ONF5elfF4lnvvOqhP7c0MhY95s13Tz7YW/QgzOQpxdpgFGI29l7 /VMsjC7smVEHOB2119hVdImMn9p6hYgJlz2XiofnjvNVSWKgc1O6Rdsu0XlzJgKf ChifpDB93NpFoLdsoyNecbjFuNCYjC0JLQerIGI1dCJxSm3lTu/YV5MNuBCiCzs6 F2mx2wNC/STiDetSlMft =Gy6Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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always this way?
by That Guy 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am not new to Tor bur am to the mailing list and running a relay and I have noticed and endless amount of legal concerns and not just on exit nodes. People running non-exit relays getting booted out by their VPS/ISP provider. I am just curious if it is getting worse or has it been this way for a while. I want to help/encourage others to run relays but a recent submission about the guy who got his friend to run a relay and (not-so)Freenode shut down his VPS. Is this only going to get worse? 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Re: [tor-relays] A bit more evidence on circuit creation storms
by tor＠t-3.net 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

I added a second core to my server and it's still getting "Your computer is too slow..." error messages. Top shows cpu for the Tor process hanging around 60-75%, which is where it was before. Top's system total is hanging around "Cpu(s) 25.9%". That plus the VM manager's graph suggest that the server's not doing much with the second core. Also see a repeat of the odd log message with the 154.x net address someone else described with the huge hexidecimal string (40 hex chars, + sign, 40 more, on and on). On Friday 30/08/2013 at 4:09 pm, David Carlson wrote: > On 8/29/2013 11:09 PM, Andreas Krey wrote: >> >> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:35:37 +0000, Gordon Morehouse wrote: >> ... >>> >>> Aug 29 18:19:14.000 [notice] Your network connection speed appears to >>> have changed. Resetting timeout to 60s after 18 timeouts and 172 >>> buildtimes. >> Random data point: I had these yesterday on a VPS-based relay. >> >>> >>> My main question: How do circuit creation requests on one's Tor relay >>> cause load on one's network infrastructure? Is it DNS requests? Is >>> it TCP connection state entries? It's not bandwidth, we observed that >>> above, and my router can handle far faster pipes than the one it's on >>> currently. The DNS failing is a sign that the router is under severe >>> stress. >> Possibly your uplink is full (supposing you're on some DSL), and is >> starting to build up ping time; then DNS requests to the outside can >> start to timeout. >> >> Andreas >> >> > > Over roughly the same time frame I received an incredibly high number > of > spam e-mails in one e-mail account that normally gets 20 or so a day > on > quiet days. Perhaps this is another example of mal-ware in action. > > David C > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

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huge increase in relay traffic
by mick 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

I'm currently seeing more than a doubling of connections (from a mean of c. 2000 established connections to just over 5000) on my relay at 0xbaddad. The log is full of the (expected) messages: "Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation requests!" I guess this is related to the massive jump in connected clients in the past few days and I assume that everyone else is seeing something similar. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 http://baldric.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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jump in connections
by That Guy 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

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legal issues past and present
by That Guy 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I run an exit node off of a residential Verizon connection and I > haven't seen a single threat, legal or otherwise so far, I dunno > why you're having so much trouble. Thank you for the reply but I have not either. My comments come from reading many such issues on the mailing list and the many many experiences documented on the Good/bad ISP lists on the torproject websites. I've had zero trouble with the sigle relay I'm running but as I also try to encourage others to run relays I was curious as I don't want to put OTHERS in a bad situation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSILw8AAoJEGPr8mk3uIZEYiwQAJ9ARuz2DYx+sjDcri5s79et cOZBK1q+p63gmcv8rnaam3ROq3syzfU4ICW5FhOPwuEcVtmPXjcOFWFQsupK+9Db oUEIndKSLHz0JnAg6kKj7Wsd8EYAnYIiflMVJUfo+noVARMdvidTGdx14epjErhs H22FXkgQu+B5ac2yzC7bEaIZ27UXKt4X1BGFCvC5wXRAb0Kx6JR7RteLD7RWBYAs fxlOHwVopft4iG49y5L4gnjjqtrQUSwBJHyB4OcYyLQ/83mMtlziFaAnYAHB23iA T3NFr4wuohzH9cX0vKhg67JwyTk7vC8ALHtZJVs/mMA2Aa2Wq8Bb5ZdiKRJuNoPV QPWkXQSvL42iE7Xhww5Yasz2A/gWQE5GYzBTIGf3Wr2UBS0dxeXJLXUyxaeMtygM sFXWb3KMkw5wijpFzVHc4wBmqSlLFOzf1he9+FVFvO/9OFZ1Lh5IX+LXs8xZmOC+ CV2r9BqufCNWP8F4Ounbc8ogCHAI5I8SiVHjWMqDwn9qw/oX31rVFUPyLGXXw2yp kxANmPcHFO/WKz1IEQM3gNum89mp2eEEOVAIEZ0RsvzSBctp1BJXseazBKZFwsf7 LegCIe+P/AqUk5XiMi5VWhJXnvFE1a6i0lrAufW8KfRwa069VlioT8kJ+UYmhTtR l+tpY0bjM+NVyFzBD3Qh =PyZa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [tor-relays] huge increase in relay traffic
by tor＠t-3.net 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

Our relay is a few weeks old and I think it is still in the process of ramping up its utilization to its configured max. Because of that, I find it hard to judge what may be excessive on it. The last log on our server had it at 13,110 circuits open. Yesterday it hit 10,000 once but seemed to be more hanging around 8,000. The server's CPU is around 75% utilization. I don't see any error messages in the logs indicating inability to accommodate circuit requests. Traffic is higher today than yesterday but looking at it in the context of the past week and the steady increase, it's not way out of line. Only odd thing I saw this in the logs was this. I've put in XXXXXXXX to cover the IP address, as I don't know what the log is about. "Aug 30 12:07:02.000 [warn] Received http status code 504 ("Gateway Time-out") from server 'XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:80' while fetching " And then there is a very long string designating a path which starts with "/tor/server" and then has a whole bunch of 40-digit hexadecimal numbers separated with + signs, and then the whole thing ends with a single ".z". Then the line says "I'll try again soon." . . . On Friday 30/08/2013 at 12:38 pm, Stracci wrote: > I can also confirm that I'm seeing that message on all 4 of my exit's > too. (as well as nearly double the amount of connections). > > -Stracci > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mick" <mbm(a)rlogin.net> > To: tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:27:12 AM > Subject: [tor-relays] huge increase in relay traffic > > I'm currently seeing more than a doubling of connections (from a mean > of > c. 2000 established connections to just over 5000) on my relay at > 0xbaddad. The log is full of the (expected) messages: > "Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation > requests!" > > I guess this is related to the massive jump in connected clients > in the past few days and I assume that everyone else is seeing > something similar. > > Mick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mick Morgan > gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 > http://baldric.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

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Re: [tor-relays] huge increase in relay traffic
by tor＠t-3.net 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

Right after I finished sending my first reply to this thread, messages about too many circuit requests became visible in the logs. We'll see if adding cores helps ... On Friday 30/08/2013 at 12:38 pm, Stracci wrote: > I can also confirm that I'm seeing that message on all 4 of my exit's > too. (as well as nearly double the amount of connections). > > -Stracci > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mick" <mbm(a)rlogin.net> > To: tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:27:12 AM > Subject: [tor-relays] huge increase in relay traffic > > I'm currently seeing more than a doubling of connections (from a mean > of > c. 2000 established connections to just over 5000) on my relay at > 0xbaddad. The log is full of the (expected) messages: > "Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation > requests!" > > I guess this is related to the massive jump in connected clients > in the past few days and I assume that everyone else is seeing > something similar. > > Mick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mick Morgan > gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 > http://baldric.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays

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