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Can "ExcludeNodes" be used multiple times in torrc?
by nusenu 14 Aug '20

14 Aug '20

Hi, it is not clear to me whether ExcludeNodes and other similar options (ExcludeExitNodes) can be used multiple times in a torrc file. Are all of the lines merged like multiple "MyFamily" lines or how does it behave? thanks, nusenu -- https://mastodon.social/@nusenu

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Safe Alternative Uses of Onion Service Keys
by Matthew Finkel 12 Aug '20

12 Aug '20

Hello everyone, Onion service version two (v2) key pairs were used for more purposes than simply facilitating the establishment of rendezvous circuits, in particular third-party applications used this key in numerous ways. Similarly, version three (v3) onion service keys are being re-used in similar (and new) ways. However, the (re)use of v3 long-term keys is not obviously safe in all situations. How should (and should not) these keys be used, such that the security of the onion service is preserved? I'll briefly summarize v3 keys (for those who don't want to read through the spec), and then I'll sketch two alternative use cases along with a straw man proposal. The long-term v3 identity keys are ed25519 keys (see [0] for a nice write up of ed25519, in general). The generated key material is serialized externally (outside of tor) in two (similar) formats: written on-disk [2] and from the control port [3]. The secret (private) key is the (64-byte) SHA-512 digest of a 32-byte seed value. The 64-byte digest is the "expanded form". The seed is thrown away. The public key is obtained by taking the first 32 bytes of that SHA-512 hash, clamping some of the bits, and performing a scalar multiplication with the (fixed) base point. This key is the onion service long-term identity key. Creating and verifying a signature using the above keys (respectively) follow standard EdDSA. However, (at this time) Tor does not use these keys directly for signing messages. All messages are signed using an ephemeral ed25519 key, and that ephemeral key is certified by a blinded ed25519 key derived from the long-term key pair. The blinded keys are computed using a specified blinding scheme [4]. All messages signed using the ephemeral key are prefixed with a context-specific string. In summary, long-term keys are used for deriving a short-term blinded key, and that short-term blinded key is used for certifying an ephemeral signing key. For computing the blinded key, the first 32 bytes of the long-term secret key (LH) are multiplied with a blinding factor (h*a mod l), see the specification for the value of **h** [4]. This becomes LH' (LH-prime). The second 32 bytes of the secret key (RH) are concatenated with a string prefix and then the SHA3-256 digest is computed of the concatenated string. The first 32 bytes of the resulting digest become RH' (RH-prime). LH' and RH' are used as regular ed25519 secret keys for signing and verifying messages following EdDSA. Tor's EdDSA signature is "R|S", R concatenated with S (the message is not included in the signature). The safest usage of the long-term keys for alternative purposes I see appears to be by deriving a (fixed/deterministic) blinded key pair using the same scheme that Tor uses, and signing/verification simply follow the same process as Tor, except the derived keys need not rotate periodically (is this true?). The derived key should be used for certifying a freshly generated ed25519 key, which is used in the application protocol. For example, if I want to use a key for code signing such that it is bound to my onion service key, then I could derive a certifying key by following Tor's derivation scheme, by substituting: BLIND_STRING = "Derive temporary signing key" | INT_1(0) N = "key-blind" | INT_8(period-number) | INT_8(period_length) with BLIND_STRING = "Derive code signing key" | INT_1(0) N = "code-sigining-key-blind" | "v0" | "YYYY-MM-DD" | INT_8(validity_period) for computing the blinding factor. Where "v0" is a version tag. YYYY-MM-DD is an arbitrary date, but it can be used for rotating signing keys in the future. INT_8(validity_period) may be used for specifying the number of days after YYYY-MM-DD at which time previously unverified signatures using this key should be considered invalid (where INT_8(0) could indicate "never expire"). And substituting RH_BLIND_STRING = "Derive temporary signing key hash input" with RH_BLIND_STRING = "Derive code signing key hash input" for computing RH'. A signature must include "v0" and the values used in "YYYY-MM-DD" and INT_8(validity_period), such that the client can derive the correct blinded public key for verification when starting from the long-term identity key. The signature should be over a certification of an independently generated ed25519 key pair. This new key pair (along with the certification) can be used for providing message integrity within the application's protocol. If, instead, the derived key is used directly for signing, and the application needs the keys online for signing messages, then this risks the security of the long-term key, as well. The blinding scheme allows for (partially) recovering the long-term secret key from the derived secret key. Another example use case comes from Jeremy Rand where the onion service key is used in a root CA certificate, and a leaf certificate (signed by the CA cert) is used by the application. Following from the previous example, (most likely) the CA certificate should not be signed directly using the onion service's long-term secret key. However, a derived key could be used in the CA certificate and the leaf cert could contain an ephemeral key (in exactly the same way that tor certifies ephemeral keys using the derived blinded signing key). This idea appears to be a concrete design of how the above (abstract) key certification could be implemented, and it could be a format that tor natively supports. The above process seems like a lot to ask from application developers. Can we make it easier for them? Open questions: 1) Going back to the long-term secret key, can LH and RH be used directly in EdDSA without reducing the security and unlinkability of the blinded keys? 2) Should other use cases of the long-term keys only derive distinct (blinded) keys, instead of using the long-term keys directly? 3) If other use cases should only use derived keys, then is there an alternative derivation scheme for when unlinkability between derived keys is not needed (without reducing the security properties of the onion service blinded keys), and is allowing linkability useful/worthwhile? 4) Is the above example derivation scheme safe if different applications tweak the above prefix strings in similar ways? 5) Should Tor simply derive one blinded key that can be used by all alternative applications? Is that safe? I'd like to thank Nick Mathewson and David Goulet for their comments on an earlier version of this mail. Thanks, Matt [0] https://blog.mozilla.org/warner/2011/11/29/ed25519-keys/ [1] https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/rend-spec-v3.txt#n2267 [2] A tagged value: "== ed25519v1-secret: type0 =="\0\0\0 | (64-byte SHA-512 hash of the seed) [3] https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/control-spec.txt#n1746 [4] https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/rend-spec-v3.txt#n2267

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Re: [tor-dev] CAPTCHA Monitoring Project's Dashboard
by Barkin Simsek 11 Aug '20

11 Aug '20

I messed up with replying to my own thread since I was receiving emails in a digest. I'm sorry for creating a duplicate thread. This email intends to reply to Georg's reply from the original thread. > Thanks for that wiki page. That's been really helpful. One thing I kept > wondering while reading through the different graph descriptions with > the default graph style in mind: [..snip..] > So, what's the tick shown per day then? One consensus somehow picked or > data for all consensuses for that day? Or...? I initially wanted to have per-day data points on the graphs, but later I realized that it complicates the calculations a lot (and increases the probability of making a mistake) since some relays show up & disappear (and their exit probabilities change) throughout the day. So, I decided to calculate the CAPTCHA rates per each hourly consensus to simplify calculations. There will be 24 data points (representing each consensus) per day and 30 days of history in a single graph. In total, there will be 24*30=720 data points in a single graph. Since having 720 labels similar to "2020-07-18 14:00" in the x-axis would be too cluttered, I decided to put ticks for each whole day and label them only rather than labeling every single data point. I hope this explanation makes it more clear. I will update the wiki and example graph on the wiki to reflect what I just explained. > How do you plan to show those graphs on the dashboard? Are they all > shown in some order? Grouped by sections (maybe along those on the > wiki)? Grouped by "importance"? I plan to have separate pages for each section mentioned in the wiki. In addition to that, I plan to have a "highlights" page to show a quick summary of all graphs. People visiting the dashboard will first see the highlights and later check more detailed graphs if they are interested in seeing them. I agree that there is a lot of information for a visitor to digest, and making this process as effortless as possible is one of my top priorities. > Somewhat related to that, I think we can try reducing the number of > graphs, at least those which are greatly related. [..snip..] > One thing that could be useful here > is having a switch/buttons next to the graph giving the user the option > to see "by exit relay age" for all CAPTCHAs, or for Cloudflare ones, or > for Akamai ones or for... depending on the switch/button the users > clicked on. The graph would update accordingly once clicked, showing the > user choice. The default could be for all CAPTCHAs or essentially > whatever we think is more important for us. That way you have related > things grouped together AND you have less graphs shown per default on > the dashboard, too, which might help not getting confused. A few other people suggested using this approach as well, and I like it! I will place buttons to achieve what you have suggested. On top of this, there will be checkboxes next to graphs for users to make decisions on what to include in the graphs, and the graphs will be updated accordingly. The default values will be configured in a way to reflect what we care about most. For example, both "Tor Browser" and "Firefox over Tor" measurements could be used to calculate the CAPTCHA rates, but only "Tor Browser" checkbox will be checked by default, and the user will have the ability to include "Firefox over Tor" and others into calculations. This gives the user the ability to compare different options easily. That said, I wonder if having too many options is another problem for users. It might lead to confusion, and determining the right balance is still an open issue. Thank you for your feedback! Best, Barkin

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CAPTCHA Monitoring Project's Dashboard
by Barkin Simsek 11 Aug '20

11 Aug '20

Hi everyone, I created a wiki page [1] for "describing" the graphs that will be used to visualize the CAPTCHA Monitor dataset [2]. There are already a few graphs on the dashboard [3] and they will be replaced with the new ones described on the wiki page. I'm interested in hearing your feedback on the graph descriptions [1] and suggestions for adding new graphs. I want to understand if the graphs I proposed make sense and useful for anyone. The descriptions have a similar style to the one used in the metrics website's "Reproducible Metrics" page [4]. Thank you in advance! Best, Barkin (woswos) [1] https://gitlab.torproject.org/woswos/CAPTCHA-Monitor/-/wikis/Dashboard-Grap… [2] https://gitlab.torproject.org/woswos/CAPTCHA-Monitor/-/wikis/home [3] https://dashboard.captcha.wtf [4] https://metrics.torproject.org/reproducible-metrics.html

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CentOS 8 TOR Repo
by Ladar Levison 07 Aug '20

07 Aug '20

It appears that installing TOR via the CentOS 8 DNF repo isn't working. The pre-flight configuration check fails because the repo package was built using zstd 1.4.4, and CentOS 8 is currently providing zstd 1.4.2. For any that cares to try, the repo is at: https://rpm.torproject.org/centos/8/ L~

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Connection padding set to 1 vs auto
by procmem＠riseup.net 06 Aug '20

06 Aug '20

Hi. I was wondering if setting the connection padding setting in torrc to 1 instead of auto has any benefit in protecting against a passive adversary outside the Tor network.

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