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VPN termination on relays
by grarpamp 31 Jul '13

31 Jul '13

> Mosh is great, but it still relies exclusively on UDP, right? > So no "over Tor"... Somewhat related to things that don't work via exits... So who wants to offer VPN termination as part of their exit service? User tunnels VPN to you, you give back a bound port, or a natted 10 address, somethings of that sort.

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Fwd: Computer requirements for a modest (15-20Mbs) relay?
by Zack Weinberg 30 Jul '13

30 Jul '13

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi(a)hexapodia.org> wrote: > Yes, there are cases of law enforcement seizing all computer gear from a > house with a exit node -- not just the exit node computer. Most > recently in Austria in a child porn investigation. [...] We did some operational planning for this risk, in conjunction with the university legal and IT departments, when we set up the CMU Tor exit. The machine is in a cube farm filled with other equipment that people need for their work; this is because we want to have immediate physical access to it in an emergency, and anywhere else we could put it would interfere with that. However, it has its own dedicated IP address, it runs absolutely no other services, it is clearly labeled both in DNS and on the physical box, and there's nothing else on the table it sits on. The hope is that this will be sufficient to persuade law enforcement to seize *only* that machine, if it comes to it. Of course, it helps as much or more to have the equipment under the aegis of an organization with lawyers already briefed and on tap, and that has trained all the staff to call legal *before doing anything else* when the police show up. Also, the greater operational threat is having the plug pulled by one's connectivity provider. I personally would not risk having an exit node in my house for that reason alone. zw

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Sitevalley is no longer Tor-friendly
by Tom Ritter 30 Jul '13

30 Jul '13

Sending this out, as I suspect I am not the only person running a node on SiteValley, as they have pretty good bandwidth for pretty cheap. I had inquired in the beginning if they allowed Tor, and they said yes, but if we get too many abuse complaints we'll shut it down. So maybe 4 or 5 abuse complaints later they did indeed give me the ultimatum to shut it down or get shut down. So I made them give me a new IP address, and made it into a middle node. (The new IP was because I was thinking of making it a bridge.) Well this morning they told me TOR (their caps, not mine ;) is not allowed at all. I argued with them a little bit, and TLDR you might be able to get a partial refund. I'd much rather have had the bandwidth though. I'm not in a position to run high-maintence nodes, so this being a pretty fast, maintenance-once-every-three-months dedicated-to-Tor node - I was pretty happy with it. Our conversation: ----------------- Your VPS X.Y.Z.W has been suspended due to running tor anonymyzer which is forbidden according to our Acceptable Use Policy, paragraph 8 "Prohibited Activities" http://www.sitevalley.com/acceptable-use-policy/. In order to have your VPS unsuspended you need to agree to remove tor from it within 24 hours after the unsuspension. Failure to abide by this provision may result in termination of your account. We have to warn you that on receiving next abuse your VPS will be terminated without without prior notice. ----------------- If you refer to Contact Form ID #YXX-XXXXyou'll see that I confirmed with you before I purchased the VPS that allowing Tor was acceptable. I dealt with the 3 or 4 abuse complaints you sent me promptly, and in #FSA-XXXXI agreed to stop using the server as a Tor Exit Node, despite our previous conversation. The machine in question is running Tor in a non-Exit mode. Traffic from it does not appear to originate from the server, and it merely passes traffic within the Tor network. It cannot generate abuse complaints from third parties when running in this mode. Have you received an abuse complaint about this server? If so, can you forward it to me so I can investigate how it may have been created? ----------------- The node was found during system audit. May be you know that running tor (in any mode) is strictly forbidden by our Acceptable Use Policy because it can be used by third-parties for forwarding hidden illegal traffic. Unfortunately, we can start your VPS only in case you agree to remove tor. ----------------- I'll put aside the fact that your routers, DNS resolvers and every router of the internet also carries hidden illegal traffic, and that Tor is agnostic to that traffic as your routers are. I did NOT know that running Tor was not allowed because I ASKED you if I could, and you told me it was fine as long as it did not generate Abuse Complaints. Considering your AUP is so broad it can be made to cover anything you don't like, the only reasonable thing someone can do is ask if you'll allow something - which I did. I'd like a pro-rated refund of my remaining service, as you have misrepresented your services and your Acceptable Use Policy to me - if I had known you wouldn't allow me to use my bandwidth in a way that was not illegal in any jurisdiction, did not generate any abuse complaints or additional work for you, and that you would shut down my service after I confirmed what I was doing was okay with you - I would never have paid you in the first place. ----------------- Ticket YXX-XXXX dates from 26 Mar 2012. Our Terms of Service are subject to change and, according to our Terms of Service http://www.sitevalley.com/terms/ posting of such changed Terms and Conditions on the site constitutes notice of such changes to you (although we may choose additional types of notice). Our policy regarding TOR usage has been changed and as for now, running TOR applications on our servers is forbidden. We are very sorry that this provision prevents you from using our services in the manner you need to use it. All things considered, we can offer you two options: 1. We unsuspend your VPS, you remove TOR from it, let us know and we check it. or 2. We issue the partial refund and terminate your account with us. Please rest assured that we value you as our customer and would like to continue doing business with you. Also, please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this misunderstanding has been the reason of. ----------------- Thank you Dmitriy. Please issue the partial refund and terminate the account. ----------------- -tom

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Computer requirements for a modest (15-20Mbs) relay?
by Nick 29 Jul '13

29 Jul '13

Hi, I'm probably going to move to a new ISP soon, and may well be able to get a fibre 20Mbps up connection, which is a nice thought. The question I have is whether my little ~1GHz home server box (a weird little x86 thing, I can dig out more specs if they're relevant) would be able to relay that level of traffic without issue? The TorExitGuidelines page on the wiki mentions that one "modern" CPU core should be able to push 100Mbps, but my server is probably 6/7 years old. It's a VIA board, which IIRC might have some hardware crypto acceleration or something - is that something that would be likely to help things if I can get it working? Thanks folks, Nick P.S. Are there any known cases of law enforcement seizing equipment or otherwise terrorising people for running home exit nodes? I would like to imagine that Tor is well known enough in such circles that such action would be rather unlikely nowadays. I know at least some remailer operators host stuff from their homes, but maybe that's lower risk.

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Tor exit node flags explanation
by Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb 26 Jul '13

26 Jul '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have looked thru FAQs and docs but can't find an answer (no doubt its in front of me somewhere). Is there any explanation of what Tor node flags mean? Specifically the "Named" flag. It has recently been applied to my node. thanks, Bernard - -------------------------------------- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJR8nm1AAoJENsz1IO7MIrrxjQIAIRB/Y+a0fyQvcA/b/3+PuT8 spVgrS6Ts39w0xncwO1DCcCDzA1EmEaQy2I6VZ1YYIk+qrDXSkyP8Gl2ACWJ8SZi Wjmt9OeQZYE3thUfXlEX4K0iqiu1vc26dHxR0VAwqV9a4GAFJ6vmDiwNLqhjEjVA a/uQdNwx1kPfApHMIDRRmBFRWGJ5v//3XxN1nS7Ty5q2ngR7ws9xfRJ6awpRrYFN vRpHPG/BGQGbcCsBsecGu/nSJaN+2mfqb9fRaHIeDUBtn6xV465BxmhZwCzf2sL4 jYoMnLByJodfImhT53qPBlgs/7HNuMbFldeREI21QlWEVi4eaN9BLS2/fe+rLQA= =R/y8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Yet another underpowered relay?
by Logforme 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

I recently upgraded from an adsl line to a 100mbit fiber connection. Naturally I want to use most of this new bandwidth for my non-exit tor relay. However, I run into messages like these: Jul 22 17:40:26.000 [warn] Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation requests! Please consider using the MaxAdvertisedBandwidth config option or choosing a more restricted exit policy. [665 similar message(s) suppressed in last 60 seconds] Jul 22 17:40:26.000 [warn] Failed to hand off onionskin. Closing. [1509 similar message(s) suppressed in last 21600 seconds] Relay fingerprint: BE71 DC9D A443 5855 FAE1 E369 7080 1A60 0D51 3684 Relevant torrc settings: BandwidthRate 10 MB BandwidthBurst 10 MB NumCPUs 2 I did some research and came up with the following things to try: Set "MaxAdvertisedBandwidth x MB" Set "MaxOnionsPending 250" Get a faster computer / Get a computer with AES-NI I tried setting "MaxAdvertisedBandwidth 9 MB" for a few days which didn't seem to do much difference. This is only a 1MB reduction from the 10MB i use as a hard limit. Too little? Must I wait longer for the change to get spread around? Setting "MaxOnionsPending 250" seem to have reduced the number of log messages, but not eliminated them. The computer is somewhat dated but not ancient: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 930 @ 2.80GHz, 4 cores with HT, 6GB mem. I feel it should be able to handle a 80 mbit bandwidth but have no hard data to support this. Looking at htop tor uses 2 cores. One core is constantly at around 90% (when all the 80 mbit bandwidth is used). The second core is hardly used. Since the relay can handle 80mbit (and higher) without messages I assume the problems only occur when the number of circuits get very high. Questions: What value should I set for MaxAdvertisedBandwidth? What other torrc settings could improve the situation? Am I wrong in thinking my cpu should be able to handle 80 mbit? Would upgrading to 0.2.4.15-rc-1 help? Weird sidenote: If I start iftop the first core drops to around 40-50%. Stop iftop and it jumps back to 90%. No change in traffic. What could that mean?

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Re: [tor-relays] Exit relay operators: a call for packets on port 8118
by rotpoison throngnet 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

I believe you are exactly right, Javntea. Thank you for the insight. I opened up Privoxy for a few seconds on my node (below) and had similar results. I had no idea that pay for click advertisers would even accept referrals from Tor. It is pretty basic to filter identified exit relays and other anonymous proxies. So apparently the return of investment from this sort of clickfraud pays the leasing bills of thousands of servers? WoW, I have been schooled... - Kent 09:21:01.419951 IP 23.19.89.126.2318 > my.exit.node.8118: Flags [P.], seq 1:416, ack 1, win 65535, length 415 E.....@.u.u/..Y~B... ...^.]^M....P.......GET http://ad.media-servers.net/st?ad_type=iframe&ad_size=160x600&section=44321… Accept: */* Referer: http://giftcardsrus.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741:w… Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0) Host: ad.media-servers.net Connection: Keep-Alive 09:21:01.419973 IP my.exit.node.8118 > 23.19.89.126.2318: Flags [.], ack 416, win 6432, length 0 E..(..@.@...B.....Y~.. .....^.^.P.. .k.. 09:21:01.420501 IP my.exit.node.8118 > 23.19.89.126.2318: Flags [P.], seq 1:256, ack 416, win 6432, length 255 E..'..@.@...B.....Y~.. .....^.^.P.. .j..HTTP/1.0 403 Request blocked by Privoxy Content-Type: image/png Content-Length: 102 Cache-Control: no-cache Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:21:01 GMT Last-Modified: Wed, 08 Jun 1955 12:00:00 GMT Expires: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:00:00 GMT Pragma: no-cache 09:21:01.430712 IP 173.208.16.93.1094 > my.exit.node.8118: Flags [.], ack 1, win 65535, length 0 E..(...........]B....F...._..x..P....~........ 09:21:01.431701 IP 173.208.16.93.1094 > my.exit.node.8118: Flags [P.], seq 1:511, ack 1, win 65535, length 510 E..&...........]B....F...._..x..P.......GET http://ad.globe7.com/st?ad_type=pop&ad_size=0x0&section=3910946&banned_pop_… Accept: */* Referer: http://twicemagic.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blo… Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; SLCC2; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.3; MS-RTC LM 8; Zune 4.7) Host: ad.globe7.com Connection: Keep-Alive 09:21:01.431722 IP my.exit.node.8118 > 173.208.16.93.1094: Flags [.], ack 511, win 6432, length 0 E..(..@.@.b.B......]...F.x....a.P.. .... 09:21:01.432462 IP my.exit.node.8118 > 173.208.16.93.1094: Flags [P.], seq 1:256, ack 511, win 6432, length 255 E..'..@.@.a.B......]...F.x....a.P.. ....HTTP/1.0 403 Request blocked by Privoxy Content-Type: image/png Content-Length: 102 Cache-Control: no-cache Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 00:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Javantea <jvoss(a)altsci.com> To: tor-relays(a)lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Exit relay operators: a call for packets on port 8118 Message-ID: <20130722070955.1CF571380F1(a)mail.altsci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kent, I am getting 125 packets per second sustained incoming on port 8118 like you on my exit node. I noticed this last year but forgot about it because it was such low bandwidth. I count 2582 unique IPs in 20 minutes. I think you've found something significant. The obvious question is why since sending data in the clear is pretty worthless and it's going to come out of a tor exit node just like if they were using tor. I'm a security researcher and would be happy to help you learn more about these silly systems. You've already done most of the basic research though: who, what, and where. When I open port 8118 with netcat a few times I get this: GET http://ad.yieldmanager.com/st?ad_type=iframe&ad_size=300x250&section=421110… HTTP/1.0 Accept: */* Referer: http://www.lotsoffree.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=84:f… Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092417 Firefox/3.0.3 Host: ad.yieldmanager.com Connection: Keep-Alive GET http://ib.adnxs.com/ttj?id=1284883 HTTP/1.0 Accept: */* Referer: http://www.psxobs.com/privacy-policy Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0 Host: ib.adnxs.com Connection: Keep-Alive That looks like clickfraud to me. Perhaps someone wrote a quick script that downloads the list of tor exit nodes and sends clickfraud requests to 8118 and was too lazy to add tor. That would mean that the sites in the referrer are the attackers and the url on the first line is the ad service which is being defrauded. Of course there is the possibility of a joe job occuring, but we know that at least some of them are the bad actors. Whois on both referrers returns China. I'm surprised that the script doesn't remove servers from the list that have the port closed. It's a very inefficient script. Regards, Javantea

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relay uptime
by l3thal 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

Hi, I recently edited my torrc and accidentally did restart instead of reload so my uptime was reset. Will this negatively impact the 60 days to get a tshirt? -- l3thal - SmashTheStack <http://smashthestack.org>

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Checking my Tor bridge and adventage of dynamic ip addresses
by nobleeightfoldpath＠lavabit.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Hi list members, Iam kinda new to Tor and decided to run a relay and found heavy traffic on my router. No prob, but after reading the documentation and some discussion boards I decided to make internet access possible for people living in censorship and run a bridge on Linux without Vidalia and other x related apps. I use "Arm" to check the Tor daemon activities. The bridge runs a few days and I see: flags: no, and there is nearly zero traffic, avg 1.4 Kbs, mostly 0. Arm displays connections and I see some IP addresses, 2 circuits. And often just - nothing. Obviously Tor is running, but Iam afraid that my config isn't useful... How can I check my bridge is really working? Another question comes up. I use a cable connection to my ISP and they don't change my IP address, until plugging off my modem and wait an hour... I think if my bridge IP address is some day on some black lists, it could be an adventage if my IP address changes, right? If so, what changing time is fine, every day? Regards

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Bandwidth Spike
by Bryan Carey 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

I'm a fairly new Tor relay operator and noticed something peculiar with my bandwidth for the relay recently. It seems to have jumped WAY up and just plateaued at what I have the peak bandwidth limit set at. Is there any kind of explanation for this? Is this normal behavior? Could it indicate some kind of denial of service attack? Here's a screenshot I took of the bandwidth history: https://i.imgur.com/mRyKp9L.jpg (note that both R/W plateau at the same point in time) Perhaps this is normal behavior but I want to know if it's something that might be messed up with my configuration that I can correct. -Bryan

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