Hi All,
I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it?
Best regards,
Luiz
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Hi Luiz
Am 23.02.2021 um 02:18 schrieb torjoy:
I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it?
There might be other sources, but this is a short and nice one:
[ https://github.com/mikeperry-tor/vanguards/blob/master/README_SECURITY.md ] § The Best Way To Use Bridges
Note the use of the iat-mode=2 parameter. Setting iat-mode=2 (as opposed to iat-mode=0 or 1) causes obfs4 to inject traffic timing changes into your outgoing traffic, which is exactly the direction you want as a service. The bridge itself does not need to have the same setting.
You can apply it to the client and/or the bridge. The outbound timing will be handled accordingly.
-- Cheers, Felix
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
Kudos to you my friend.
- William
2021-02-23 1:18 GMT, torjoy south_america_bridges@protonmail.com:
Hi All,
I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it?
Best regards,
Luiz
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On 2/24/2021 12:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
Kudos to you my friend.
- William
Should I take this as a recommendation to update my bridges to support iat_mode=2.
Cheers.
2021-02-23 1:18 GMT, torjoy south_america_bridges@protonmail.com:
Hi All,
I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it?
Best regards,
Luiz
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If you run more than three bridges, run an even distribution of bridges with iat_mode set to 0, 1 and 2, if you run only three bridges, one with each setting, if two, then 0 and 2, if only one, run it with 2 due to the lack of bridges supporting it, et cetera.
That's how I would handle it..
- William
2021-02-24 23:44 GMT, Eddie stunnel@attglobal.net:
On 2/24/2021 12:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
Kudos to you my friend.
- William
Should I take this as a recommendation to update my bridges to support iat_mode=2.
Cheers.
2021-02-23 1:18 GMT, torjoy south_america_bridges@protonmail.com:
Hi All,
I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it?
Best regards,
Luiz
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Thanks for all your answers guys! Now i know that i'm doeing good running bridges in different iat modes. Actually I'm running 4 bridges, and two have iat_mode set to 0 and two others set to 1 and 2 respectively.
I also have a question about bridges speed. It seems that when I do use of my bridge (that is in same network of my PC) the connection is too slow (~1Mbps using relays in a circuit that clearly (by seeing it in tor metrics) has high bandwidth). I do use it as a guard relay. But, when i disable the settings, using the same circuit or an very similar one I can see that the speed bumps to more than 4 Mbps. Is there any optimizations that I can do in my bridge relay? I have 20 Mbps uplink and 200 Mbps downlink here. Set my speed setting to 10 Mbps maxium in torrc. I can also see that bridge is not overloaded (no high cpu usage and low number of connections around 180 for now).
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Luiz
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Em segunda-feira, 1 de março de 2021 às 10:38, William Kane ttallink@googlemail.com escreveu:
If you run more than three bridges, run an even distribution of bridges with iat_mode set to 0, 1 and 2, if you run only three bridges, one with each setting, if two, then 0 and 2, if only one, run it with 2 due to the lack of bridges supporting it, et cetera.
That's how I would handle it..
William
2021-02-24 23:44 GMT, Eddie stunnel@attglobal.net:
On 2/24/2021 12:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions. Kudos to you my friend.
- William Should I take this as a recommendation to update my bridges to support iat_mode=2.
Cheers.
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Hi All, I work with time and frequency references and run some tor bridges. What is the objective of "iat_mode" setting? Is an good timming reference important for this setting? For now, i'm adminstrating 3 briges, one with iat_mode=0, iat_mode=1 and iat_mode=2. Could you explain or forward me to some reading about it? Best regards, Luiz Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
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On 2/24/21 9:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
At my client I have iat_mode=2 set but I do wonder how to set that as default at a bridge?
-- Toralf
"ServerTransportOptions obfs4 iat-mode=2" in torrc
On February 25, 2021 11:16:52 AM GMT+03:00, "Toralf Förster" toralf.foerster@gmx.de wrote:
On 2/24/21 9:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
At my client I have iat_mode=2 set but I do wonder how to set that as default at a bridge?
-- Toralf
Hi William,
You can do it by setting:
ServerTransportOptions obfs4 iat-mode=2
at your bridge's side.
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Luiz
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Em quinta-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2021 às 05:16, Toralf Förster toralf.foerster@gmx.de escreveu:
On 2/24/21 9:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
At my client I have iat_mode=2 set but I do wonder how to set that as default at a bridge?
Toralf
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On 25. Feb 2021, at 18:30, Toralf Förster toralf.foerster@gmx.de wrote:
On 2/24/21 9:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
SO why is this not the default?
And why did I read about this the first time in a mailing list?
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I just added that feature to my bridge today! That line of code should be on the tor site so that bridge runners can automatically add it to their torrc files.
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-------- Original Message -------- On Feb 25, 2021, 12:30 PM, Toralf Förster wrote:
On 2/24/21 9:34 PM, William Kane wrote:
Thank you for running obfs4 bridges with iat_mode != 0, only very few obfs4 bridges support the additional traffic obfuscation in both directions.
SO why is this not the default?
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 06:30:35PM +0100, Toralf Förster wrote:
SO why is this not the default?
The feature introduces a substantial performance penalty for a dubious and poorly understood privacy gain. If I were to write an algorithm to detect obfs4, I wouldn't bother dealing with its flow properties; there are easier ways to identify the protocol. In hindsight, it was probably a mistake to expose the iat option to users and bridge operators.
Cheers, Philipp
So should I remove that instruction from torrc?
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 06:30:35PM +0100, Toralf Förster wrote:
SO why is this not the default?
The feature introduces a substantial performance penalty for a dubious and poorly understood privacy gain. If I were to write an algorithm to detect obfs4, I wouldn't bother dealing with its flow properties; there are easier ways to identify the protocol. In hindsight, it was probably a mistake to expose the iat option to users and bridge operators.
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