Running a relay in the Netherlands
Hello, I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands? On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi? Thanks for any info. -- Regards, StairNetTor Operator
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!] Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much. Tom TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
Hi, A Raspberry Pi is actually a pretty nice device to run a relay on - it's pretty capable of running with a throughput of about 2-4mbps (which isn't bad, considering the clock speed). This might be a useful resource for you regarding Tor & Raspberry Pi: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-August/002384.html Regards, Joshua Lee Tucker @tuckerwales On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tom van der Woerdt <info@tvdw.eu> wrote:
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!]
Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much.
Tom
TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
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Speaking of BeNeLux, is Belgium any worse in tolerating a Tor-server at Home (Belgacom) / at Uni Campus (will not say what Uni)? In the case of Uni Campus, one needs to run purely a non-exit relay, I presume :) Any experience to share? Am 07.07.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Joshua Lee Tucker:
Hi,
A Raspberry Pi is actually a pretty nice device to run a relay on - it's pretty capable of running with a throughput of about 2-4mbps (which isn't bad, considering the clock speed).
This might be a useful resource for you regarding Tor & Raspberry Pi:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-August/002384.html
Regards,
Joshua Lee Tucker @tuckerwales
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tom van der Woerdt <info@tvdw.eu <mailto:info@tvdw.eu>> wrote:
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!]
Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much.
Tom
TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-07-18 15:06, Dmytro Dudenko wrote:
Speaking of BeNeLux,
is Belgium any worse in tolerating a Tor-server at Home (Belgacom) / at Uni Campus (will not say what Uni)?
In the case of Uni Campus, one needs to run purely a non-exit relay, I presume :)
Will not directly answer your question, but we had no difficulties getting the permission for our our non-exit relay (kulcosictor) at KU Leuven. But, don't know what would have happened if we had asked permission for an exit. Also, apparently 2 of the 4 exit relays in Belgium runs at Belgacom and one of them (darkman) seems to be around for more than 4 months: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/64C05AF7C30CFEB56AD717564C4783B322 82195C https://atlas.torproject.org/#search/country:be%20flag:exit
Any experience to share?
Am 07.07.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Joshua Lee Tucker:
Hi,
A Raspberry Pi is actually a pretty nice device to run a relay on - it's pretty capable of running with a throughput of about 2-4mbps (which isn't bad, considering the clock speed).
This might be a useful resource for you regarding Tor & Raspberry Pi:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-August/002384.
html
Regards,
Joshua Lee Tucker @tuckerwales
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tom van der Woerdt <info@tvdw.eu <mailto:info@tvdw.eu>> wrote:
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!]
Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much.
Tom
TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
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Hello All ! About running a relay in the NL, what host company would you guys recommend ? I also have that idea of running first a relay then an exit node, and would like some basic information or recommendation about host providers, like price /month, bandwidth included, satisfaction or quality, level of tor friendliness, whatever... Thx for any help you can provide, tOreo Le 2015-07-19 23:06, gunes acar a écrit :
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On 2015-07-18 15:06, Dmytro Dudenko wrote:
Speaking of BeNeLux,
is Belgium any worse in tolerating a Tor-server at Home (Belgacom) / at Uni Campus (will not say what Uni)?
In the case of Uni Campus, one needs to run purely a non-exit relay, I presume :)
Will not directly answer your question, but we had no difficulties getting the permission for our our non-exit relay (kulcosictor) at KU Leuven. But, don't know what would have happened if we had asked permission for an exit.
Also, apparently 2 of the 4 exit relays in Belgium runs at Belgacom and one of them (darkman) seems to be around for more than 4 months: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/64C05AF7C30CFEB56AD717564C4783B322 82195C https://atlas.torproject.org/#search/country:be%20flag:exit
Any experience to share?
Am 07.07.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Joshua Lee Tucker:
Hi,
A Raspberry Pi is actually a pretty nice device to run a relay on - it's pretty capable of running with a throughput of about 2-4mbps (which isn't bad, considering the clock speed).
This might be a useful resource for you regarding Tor & Raspberry Pi:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-August/002384.
html
Regards,
Joshua Lee Tucker @tuckerwales
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tom van der Woerdt <info@tvdw.eu <mailto:info@tvdw.eu>> wrote:
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!]
Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much.
Tom
TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
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On 2015-07-19 23:06, gunes acar wrote:
On 2015-07-18 15:06, Dmytro Dudenko wrote:
Speaking of BeNeLux,
is Belgium any worse in tolerating a Tor-server at Home (Belgacom) / at Uni Campus (will not say what Uni)?
In the case of Uni Campus, one needs to run purely a non-exit relay, I presume :)
Will not directly answer your question, but we had no difficulties getting the permission for our our non-exit relay (kulcosictor) at KU Leuven. But, don't know what would have happened if we had asked permission for an exit.
This is good to hear, since I intend to be operating a non-exit relay out of my on-campus home. Thanks for your info. Regards, StairNetTor Operator
Also, apparently 2 of the 4 exit relays in Belgium runs at Belgacom and one of them (darkman) seems to be around for more than 4 months: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/64C05AF7C30CFEB56AD717564C4783B322 82195C https://atlas.torproject.org/#search/country:be%20flag:exit
Any experience to share?
Am 07.07.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Joshua Lee Tucker:
Hi,
A Raspberry Pi is actually a pretty nice device to run a relay on - it's pretty capable of running with a throughput of about 2-4mbps (which isn't bad, considering the clock speed).
This might be a useful resource for you regarding Tor & Raspberry Pi:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-August/002384. html
Regards,
Joshua Lee Tucker @tuckerwales
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tom van der Woerdt <info@tvdw.eu <mailto:info@tvdw.eu>> wrote:
NL is perfectly safe, probably one of the safest countries on the planet for running Tor relays and exits. No need to worry about the legality of it much, as long as you appropriately keep your own traffic and Tor traffic separate. [IANAL!!!]
Raspberry Pis aren't very fast, so it won't help the network much.
Tom
TorOps schreef op 07/07/15 om 20:12:
Hello,
I am about to move to the Netherlands and will, as part of the move, decommission the server my relay is currently running on. I'd like to be able to continue to help, though, so I wonder how the legal climate is for Tor relays and/or exit nodes in the Netherlands?
On a related topic, how smart/efficient/possible is it to run a relay/exit on a Raspberry Pi?
Thanks for any info.
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Dear Gunes Acar, thanks for this optimistic e-mail. For the sake of geo-diversity, my relay will be placed in Wallonia :) A bit of research tells me that we are NATed here. Therefore I'm thinking of establishing a tunnel to a IPv6 broker, e.g., HE or similar with no traffic limits. Perhaps, that will solve my problem being behind the wall at Uni. Regarding Belgacom, as the WIFI-modem is in hands of my landlord, I will try to tweak portforwarding using upnpc, if it works. If not, perhaps, the same strategy, IPv6-IPv4 tunnel... Anyway, it sounds great that Belgacom doesn't give a toss about Tor. The only scaring thing is that my landlord may lose access to some internet resources, which resolve against x.x.x.x.tor.dan.me.uk, e.g., forums.freebsd.org and etc. Dmytro Am 19.07.2015 um 23:06 schrieb gunes acar:
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On 2015-07-18 15:06, Dmytro Dudenko wrote:
Speaking of BeNeLux,
is Belgium any worse in tolerating a Tor-server at Home (Belgacom) / at Uni Campus (will not say what Uni)?
In the case of Uni Campus, one needs to run purely a non-exit relay, I presume :)
Will not directly answer your question, but we had no difficulties getting the permission for our our non-exit relay (kulcosictor) at KU Leuven. But, don't know what would have happened if we had asked permission for an exit.
Also, apparently 2 of the 4 exit relays in Belgium runs at Belgacom and one of them (darkman) seems to be around for more than 4 months: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/64C05AF7C30CFEB56AD717564C4783B322 82195C https://atlas.torproject.org/#search/country:be%20flag:exit
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