UX Idea - A controller inside TBB
Hi Devs, [For those of you who have missed Vidalia, and for those of you who hated it dearly but still needed an easy-to-use Tor controller] A long while ago, when I was bored on an airplane, I tried to imagine a nice controller inside TBB, with all the good features of Vidalia and some more stuff. Fast forwarding to couple days ago... I was hitting a weird exit node that wouldn't let me connect to any site except Google. I only had TBB on that machine, and couldn't find a way to find my Tor IP address. That UX nightmare reminded me of this image I complied on that trip. Although it's not finished and is based on imagination only! I thought I'd share it anyways, hoping to inspire people to start hacking on it. https://people.torproject.org/~nima/ux/about-tor.png Here's my question for you: How would you perfect that image? What's missing? Let's talk about your ideal controller (inside browser). Who knows... maybe someone would read this thread and make it happen. Bests, -- Nima 0XC009DB191C92A77B | @nimaaa | mrphs "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" --Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Hi Nima, great mockup! For what it's worth a localhost tor interface is something I've been longing for us to do for quite some time. I pitched it to GSoC applicants (without much success) and plan to hack on it myself in the future, but not until after finishing the arm rewrite. So it'll be quite a while. https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/volunteer.html.en#relayWebPanel Making a trac page with mockups and feature ideas might be a great spot to start even if we lack someone to hack on it right now. Cheers! -Damian On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Nima Fatemi <nima@riseup.net> wrote:
Hi Devs,
[For those of you who have missed Vidalia, and for those of you who hated it dearly but still needed an easy-to-use Tor controller]
A long while ago, when I was bored on an airplane, I tried to imagine a nice controller inside TBB, with all the good features of Vidalia and some more stuff.
Fast forwarding to couple days ago...
I was hitting a weird exit node that wouldn't let me connect to any site except Google. I only had TBB on that machine, and couldn't find a way to find my Tor IP address. That UX nightmare reminded me of this image I complied on that trip. Although it's not finished and is based on imagination only! I thought I'd share it anyways, hoping to inspire people to start hacking on it.
https://people.torproject.org/~nima/ux/about-tor.png
Here's my question for you: How would you perfect that image? What's missing?
Let's talk about your ideal controller (inside browser).
Who knows... maybe someone would read this thread and make it happen.
Bests, -- Nima 0XC009DB191C92A77B | @nimaaa | mrphs
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" --Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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I started working on something like this a little while ago, https://github.com/arlolra/bulb but didn't manage to stir up much interest. I'm happy to continue with it if anyone wants to collaborate. Arlo On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Damian Johnson <atagar@torproject.org> wrote:
Hi Nima, great mockup! For what it's worth a localhost tor interface is something I've been longing for us to do for quite some time. I pitched it to GSoC applicants (without much success) and plan to hack on it myself in the future, but not until after finishing the arm rewrite. So it'll be quite a while.
https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/volunteer.html.en#relayWebPanel
Making a trac page with mockups and feature ideas might be a great spot to start even if we lack someone to hack on it right now.
Cheers! -Damian
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Nima Fatemi <nima@riseup.net> wrote:
Hi Devs,
[For those of you who have missed Vidalia, and for those of you who hated it dearly but still needed an easy-to-use Tor controller]
A long while ago, when I was bored on an airplane, I tried to imagine a nice controller inside TBB, with all the good features of Vidalia and some more stuff.
Fast forwarding to couple days ago...
I was hitting a weird exit node that wouldn't let me connect to any site except Google. I only had TBB on that machine, and couldn't find a way to find my Tor IP address. That UX nightmare reminded me of this image I complied on that trip. Although it's not finished and is based on imagination only! I thought I'd share it anyways, hoping to inspire people to start hacking on it.
https://people.torproject.org/~nima/ux/about-tor.png
Here's my question for you: How would you perfect that image? What's missing?
Let's talk about your ideal controller (inside browser).
Who knows... maybe someone would read this thread and make it happen.
Bests, -- Nima 0XC009DB191C92A77B | @nimaaa | mrphs
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" --Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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El mar, 08-07-2014 a las 23:16 +0200, Arlo Breault escribió:
I started working on something like this a little while ago, https://github.com/arlolra/bulb
but didn't manage to stir up much interest.
I'm happy to continue with it if anyone wants to collaborate.
I'll volunteer to help in testing (I'm not a programmer) Regards Noel er envite
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:16:12PM +0200, Arlo Breault wrote:
I started working on something like this a little while ago, https://github.com/arlolra/bulb
but didn't manage to stir up much interest.
I'm happy to continue with it if anyone wants to collaborate.
Arlo
Hey Arlo, Did you start working on this again? Having something like this is actually really important. It would be awesome to get this functionality in Tor Browser again. Nima's design looks really good. I think a lot of people would be happy to see something like that. Do you think this should be based on bulb or should it start from scratch? I looked at doing this about a month ago and considered adding it directly into TorButton. Maybe it is better to use Python/Stem for the backend. Thoughts? - Matt
On 7/29/14, 9:31 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote:
Did you start working on this again? Having something like this is actually really important. It would be awesome to get this functionality in Tor Browser again. Nima's design looks really good. I think a lot of people would be happy to see something like that.
Do you think this should be based on bulb or should it start from scratch? I looked at doing this about a month ago and considered adding it directly into TorButton. Maybe it is better to use Python/Stem for the backend. Thoughts?
Just so others are aware: Arthur is actively working on this ticket: "Create Browser UI indication for current circuit status and exit IP" https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8641 -- Mark Smith Pearl Crescent http://pearlcrescent.com/
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 09:38:55AM -0400, Mark Smith wrote:
On 7/29/14, 9:31 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote:
Did you start working on this again? Having something like this is actually really important. It would be awesome to get this functionality in Tor Browser again. Nima's design looks really good. I think a lot of people would be happy to see something like that.
Do you think this should be based on bulb or should it start from scratch? I looked at doing this about a month ago and considered adding it directly into TorButton. Maybe it is better to use Python/Stem for the backend. Thoughts?
Just so others are aware: Arthur is actively working on this ticket:
"Create Browser UI indication for current circuit status and exit IP" https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8641
Thanks Mark! Arthur's mockup looks great. Combining his work with the ability to read the log in real-time would be awesome. I know these are distinct tickets, but if both functionality could land in TorButton at approximately the same time (very soon :)), it will help a lot. Maybe the "easy" way to do this will be to work on a simple log reader, that is integrated into TorButton, and then if another, fancier thing materializes, then all the better. (yes, I will start looking at this again because "if I don't, how can I expect others will?"). If anyone feels like hacking on this, then you're probably a better candidate than me :)
On 7/29/14 10:13 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote:
Maybe the "easy" way to do this will be to work on a simple log reader, that is integrated into TorButton, and then if another, fancier thing materializes, then all the better. (yes, I will start looking at this again because "if I don't, how can I expect others will?"). If anyone feels like hacking on this, then you're probably a better candidate than me :)
The log viewer probably belongs in Tor Launcher (which already captures log messages for the "copy to clipboard" feature). Maybe we can use Firefox's Browser Console somehow. If you do work on this, please comment here so we can coordinate our efforts: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/9516 Thanks! -- Mark Smith Pearl Crescent, LLC http://pearlcrescent.com/
Hi, Mark Smith wrote (29 Jul 2014 13:38:55 GMT) :
Just so others are aware: Arthur is actively working on this ticket:
"Create Browser UI indication for current circuit status and exit IP" https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8641
Thanks for pointing to it. This might be enough for Tails to stop shipping Vidalia, finally :) However, ideally we would also need a UI that allows monitoring circuits created by non-web usage, which is apparently not covered by that ticket. Not sure if it's a real blocker. Damian, what's the status wrt. providing this feature in arm? Cheers, -- intrigeri
On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:16:12PM +0200, Arlo Breault wrote:
I started working on something like this a little while ago, https://github.com/arlolra/bulb
but didn't manage to stir up much interest.
I'm happy to continue with it if anyone wants to collaborate.
Arlo
Hey Arlo, Sorry for the slow reply.
Did you start working on this again? Having something like this is actually really important. It would be awesome to get this functionality in Tor Browser again. Nima's design looks really good. I think a lot of people would be happy to see something like that.
It sounds like the TorBrowser team are well on their way to integrating these features in Tor Button / Launcher.
Do you think this should be based on bulb or should it start from scratch?
The intention with bulb was to provide a web interface on localhost. In light of the above, it probably better serves relay operators and traffic not originating from TorBrowser. I opened a ticket to take inspiration from Nima’s design, https://github.com/arlolra/bulb/issues/3
I looked at doing this about a month ago and considered adding it directly into TorButton. Maybe it is better to use Python/Stem for the backend. Thoughts?
I think these are separate projects that can coexist. Arlo
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