[IA] Sitemap for the current torproject.org?
I've been having a look at torproject.org and was wondering if an accurate sitemap exists for the current iteration? This would be useful in having an overview of the current structure and being able to see how and what existing content could be migrating to torproject.org 2.0. I've used a generic sitemap generator to help get my head around what's currently there though it's not very readable and I can't guarantee accuracy: https://gist.github.com/rey/8320798. Rey -- reyhan.org
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:35:08PM +0000, rey@spcshp.com wrote 2.1K bytes in 0 lines about: : I've been having a look at torproject.org and was wondering if an accurate sitemap exists for the current iteration? There isn't one. I created ticket 10591 (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10591) to track progress. I also attached the IA plan for the current site to the ticket. Thanks for creating the sitemap you did. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475
There isn't one. I created ticket 10591 (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10591) to track progress.
Thanks you for that! I noticed the new milestone too :)
I also attached the IA plan for the current site to the ticket.
Just to be clear, is this a proposed sitemap that is subject to change or is this a _signed off_ sitemap to which we will be implementing against?
Thanks for creating the sitemap you did.
No problemo! Rey -- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:42, andrew@torproject.is wrote:
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:35:08PM +0000, rey@spcshp.com wrote 2.1K bytes in 0 lines about: : I've been having a look at torproject.org and was wondering if an accurate sitemap exists for the current iteration?
There isn't one. I created ticket 10591 (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10591) to track progress.
I also attached the IA plan for the current site to the ticket.
Thanks for creating the sitemap you did.
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On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:00:21PM +0000, rey@spcshp.com wrote 1.5K bytes in 0 lines about: : Just to be clear, is this a proposed sitemap that is subject to change or is this a _signed off_ sitemap to which we will be implementing against? This is the current sitemap designed when we re-worked the site in 2010. We can do whatever we want with the sitemap; use it, ignore it, put it on a wall and throw darts at it. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475
Rey Dhuny:
I've been having a look at torproject.org and was wondering if an accurate sitemap exists for the current iteration?
This would be useful in having an overview of the current structure and being able to see how and what existing content could be migrating to torproject.org 2.0.
I have added a list of every HTML files I believe to be served by the actual website: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10591#comment:1 Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content. -- Lunar <lunar@torproject.org>
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page. I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript. It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas. Rey -- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/. At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far. The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it. This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things. On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
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On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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Hi. My name is Joel Rittvo and I am pretty close to the end user you describe below. I know enough to poke around a little when I have to, but initially I wanted and needed TBB to just work, and I needed the instructions and the site to just get me going. And basically they did. I can hopefully help in evaluating the site in terms of users like me as it re-develops. The idea of defining personas for target users is one I use in my regular work (which is totally unrelated to this) and the technique is powerful and keeps everyone focused, I have found. From: Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com> Reply-To: Tor Website Team <www-team@lists.torproject.org> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM To: Tor Website Team <www-team@lists.torproject.org> Subject: Re: [Tor www-team] [IA] Sitemap for the current torproject.org? Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/. At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far. The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it. This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things. On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
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On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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Earl G:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
Sorry I don't believe I was clear with my last reply. When I said:
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I was working from the _target users_ that I extrapolated from the `Proposed new information architecture` section in the Wiki ( https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Proposednewinformation... ) For example: ``` * Understand ** For: Everyone and journalist ``` Here one persona may be Joe Public who has never used Tor before and has come across it through a new article. Another persona might be Anna Journalist who has been covering online privacy briefly and wants to educate herself on how Tor works for an upcoming article. Another example of a persona may be: ``` * Contribute ** Finance ``` In this example Julia Walters may want to make a donation to the Tor Project and would like to know how that may be possible. What I was trying to get across is that there are users who have particular needs from torproject.org and we should identify and address those user's needs. Rey -- reyhan.org On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it.
This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things.
On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Earl G:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
Sorry I don't believe I was clear with my last reply. When I said:
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I was working from the _target users_ that I extrapolated from the `Proposed new information architecture` section in the Wiki (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Proposednewinformation...)
For example:
``` * Understand ** For: Everyone and journalist ```
Here one persona may be Joe Public who has never used Tor before and has come across it through a new article. Another persona might be Anna Journalist who has been covering online privacy briefly and wants to educate herself on how Tor works for an upcoming article.
Another example of a persona may be:
``` * Contribute ** Finance ```
In this example Julia Walters may want to make a donation to the Tor Project and would like to know how that may be possible.
What I was trying to get across is that there are users who have particular needs from torproject.org and we should identify and address those user's needs.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it.
This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things.
On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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I think personas would be very helpful. I can only guess what the various personas are. Obviously anyone can use tor, but there are many different personas that have different needs. They can be prioritized so that you ensure you work on the most important content first due to limited resources, etc. Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Earl G:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
Sorry I don't believe I was clear with my last reply. When I said:
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I was working from the _target users_ that I extrapolated from the `Proposed new information architecture` section in the Wiki (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Proposednewinformation...)
For example:
``` * Understand ** For: Everyone and journalist ```
Here one persona may be Joe Public who has never used Tor before and has come across it through a new article. Another persona might be Anna Journalist who has been covering online privacy briefly and wants to educate herself on how Tor works for an upcoming article.
Another example of a persona may be:
``` * Contribute ** Finance ```
In this example Julia Walters may want to make a donation to the Tor Project and would like to know how that may be possible.
What I was trying to get across is that there are users who have particular needs from torproject.org and we should identify and address those user's needs.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it.
This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things.
On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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Ok well i understand that a lot more. Very good explanation. For the prioritizing it could be important to look at the history of downloads and media coverage. What sparked the biggest interest recently and what was the demographic of the user? Was it the Snowden guy and were most of the users Reddit, Ycombinator and other comunitys that made a huge deal of it. These are the mass market imo that need to be prioritized on even though the one person that flees north korea is still just as valuable. Without the mass market running bridges the one North Korean or the renegade like Snowden will have no connection to use. On 9 January 2014 01:36, Sean Rafferty <seanmrafferty@me.com> wrote:
I think personas would be very helpful. I can only guess what the various personas are. Obviously anyone can use tor, but there are many different personas that have different needs. They can be prioritized so that you ensure you work on the most important content first due to limited resources, etc.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Earl G:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
Sorry I don't believe I was clear with my last reply. When I said:
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I was working from the _target users_ that I extrapolated from the `Proposed new information architecture` section in the Wiki ( https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Proposednewinformation... )
For example:
``` * Understand ** For: Everyone and journalist ```
Here one persona may be Joe Public who has never used Tor before and has come across it through a new article. Another persona might be Anna Journalist who has been covering online privacy briefly and wants to educate herself on how Tor works for an upcoming article.
Another example of a persona may be:
``` * Contribute ** Finance ```
In this example Julia Walters may want to make a donation to the Tor Project and would like to know how that may be possible.
What I was trying to get across is that there are users who have particular needs from torproject.org and we should identify and address those user's needs.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the target audience everybody with an internet connection? Or at least those that value privacy/.
At the moment Tor is aimed at tech savvy users and although the tor guys have done an excellent job of the instructions so far.
The real momentum will happen when Joe Bloggs, mom and pop start using it.
This is where i want to come in and make it so everyone and anyone no matter your tech ability, either sees the benefits of tor or can get Tor running. The only way I can do this is by writing very understandable tutorials or explanations of what are quite technical things.
On 8 January 2014 23:31, Rey Dhuny <rey@spcshp.com> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
I think it might be worth a stakeholder outlining the personas (or the different target users) that we're designing and building for so everybody is on the same page.
I think these have been touched on in the initial structure outlined on the wiki (I would paste but currently on the train home :)) but it would be super useful to have them documented so we know, for example, that Joe User has a particular set of circumstances where he needs a site that is easily thrown on a usb drive and that degrades gracefully for use without JavaScript.
It seems to be at least that there may be 3-5 different personas.
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On 8 Jan 2014, at 22:17, Lunar <lunar@torproject.org> wrote:
Sorting these out by target audience might help recycle the actual content.
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