Teor,

yeah, I have seen my /25 located in Germany, Netherlands and UK. Really depends how you see it.

Karsten,

all my 78 relays are perfectly located where the physical servers are. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

niftybunny

On 12. Feb 2020, at 23:46, teor teor@riseup.net wrote:

Signed PGP part Hi,

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On 13 Feb 2020, at 03:14, niftybunny abuse-contact@to-surf-and-protect.net wrote:

Checking my relays its hard to tell what is correct. As a German IXC I do own the IPs but the servers are in the Netherlands. If you prefer the ownership of the IPs Maxmind is correct with Germany, if you prefer where the actual servers are the new one is correct. Pick your poison :) At least the new one has my new AS, so I am a happy bunny after all.

There are often at least 2 correct answers for GeoIP, sometimes more:

• the physical location of the server,
• the business address of the data centre operator,
• the business address of the owner or reseller of the server.

Some servers and businesses have layers of owner/operator/reseller/ corporate subsidiaries, so it can get very complicated.

I once operated relays that were obviously in Australia (because of the traceroute and latency), but were geolocated to the US, because their reseller was in the US.

T

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 10:20, Karsten Loesing karsten@torproject.org wrote:

On 2020-02-12 16:05, Karsten Loesing wrote:

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Hi relay operators,

as you might have heard, MaxMind has changed access and use of their GeoLite2 databases:

https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-usi...

This affects Onionoo and tor, and I'm trying to find a working alternative on the following ticket:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/32978

Today I think I found a possible alternative by using data from another provider. But before I name it here, I'd first want to find out how accurate it is.

I tried resolving relay IP addresses of relays that have been running in the past week and compared that to our existing lookups using MaxMind's October database.

The result is that 7669 relays (93%) had the same country code and ASN.

I put the remaining 7% on the following wiki page:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/MetricsGeoipComparison

I'd like to hear from you which data source is right and which is wrong (or if both are wrong).

If you'd like to help, please leave comments on the ticket or in the "Comment" column on that wiki page by February 19, 2020.

Thanks for helping!

Hello again,

I'm bumping this thread, because there's (finally) news on finding an alternative to MaxMind:

https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/metrics/trac/-/issues/32978

(Yes, you'll have to scroll down quite a bit to find the news, it's a long ticket.)

Can relay operators please take a look at that ticket and see if they find their relay in the table with different country results?

It would be neat to identify patterns there and possibly improve the accuracy of the new database.

Thanks for your help!

I run 3 relays with Scaleway, one in Paris and 2 in Amsterdam, the new alternative places them all in France.

whois correctly describes the range as being in Amsterdam:

% Information related to '51.15.0.0/17AS12876'

route: 51.15.0.0/17 descr: SCALEWAY descr: Amsterdam, Netherlands origin: AS12876 mnt-by: MNT-TISCALIFR created: 2019-10-03T15:11:06Z last-modified: 2019-10-03T15:11:06Z source: RIPE

% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.97.2 (WAGYU)

Hi Karsten,

I am the operator of relays "torturing" and "BurningMan". The right country for torturing is Netherlands and for BurningMan Finland.

Cheers

Am 07.07.2020 um 11:19 schrieb Karsten Loesing:

On 2020-02-12 16:05, Karsten Loesing wrote:

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Hi relay operators,

as you might have heard, MaxMind has changed access and use of their GeoLite2 databases:

https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-usi...

This affects Onionoo and tor, and I'm trying to find a working alternative on the following ticket:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/32978

Today I think I found a possible alternative by using data from another provider. But before I name it here, I'd first want to find out how accurate it is.

I tried resolving relay IP addresses of relays that have been running in the past week and compared that to our existing lookups using MaxMind's October database.

The result is that 7669 relays (93%) had the same country code and ASN.

I put the remaining 7% on the following wiki page:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/MetricsGeoipComparison

I'd like to hear from you which data source is right and which is wrong (or if both are wrong).

If you'd like to help, please leave comments on the ticket or in the "Comment" column on that wiki page by February 19, 2020.

Thanks for helping!

Hello again,

I'm bumping this thread, because there's (finally) news on finding an alternative to MaxMind:

https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/metrics/trac/-/issues/32978

(Yes, you'll have to scroll down quite a bit to find the news, it's a long ticket.)

Can relay operators please take a look at that ticket and see if they find their relay in the table with different country results?

It would be neat to identify patterns there and possibly improve the accuracy of the new database.

Thanks for your help!

All the best, Karsten

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My relays: * themerrythoughts is not on the list * thesistersofmercy is neither on the list * joydivision is located in RU, but is in UA * projectpitchfork is not on the list * thecure is not on the list * bauhaus is not on the list * clanofxymox is not on the list

lg Sebastian

On 07/07/2020 11:19, Karsten Loesing wrote:

On 2020-02-12 16:05, Karsten Loesing wrote:

...

Hi relay operators,

as you might have heard, MaxMind has changed access and use of their GeoLite2 databases:

https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-usi...

This affects Onionoo and tor, and I'm trying to find a working alternative on the following ticket:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/32978

Today I think I found a possible alternative by using data from another provider. But before I name it here, I'd first want to find out how accurate it is.

I tried resolving relay IP addresses of relays that have been running in the past week and compared that to our existing lookups using MaxMind's October database.

The result is that 7669 relays (93%) had the same country code and ASN.

I put the remaining 7% on the following wiki page:

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/MetricsGeoipComparison

I'd like to hear from you which data source is right and which is wrong (or if both are wrong).

If you'd like to help, please leave comments on the ticket or in the "Comment" column on that wiki page by February 19, 2020.

Thanks for helping!

Hello again,

I'm bumping this thread, because there's (finally) news on finding an alternative to MaxMind:

https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/metrics/trac/-/issues/32978

(Yes, you'll have to scroll down quite a bit to find the news, it's a long ticket.)

Can relay operators please take a look at that ticket and see if they find their relay in the table with different country results?

It would be neat to identify patterns there and possibly improve the accuracy of the new database.

Thanks for your help!

All the best, Karsten

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On 08/07/2020 22:53, Imre Jonk wrote:

On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 20:38 +0200, Sebastian Elisa Pfeifer wrote:

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• joydivision is located in RU, but is in UA

Not sure if it's me not being a native English speaker or you being a bit ambiguous, but I hope this makes it a bit more clear:

joydivision is incorrectly listed as being in RU. It is actually in UA.

I think the problem is that I was really tired, haha. I wanted to say: "joydivision is listed as being in RU, but is actually in UA" as you said! I have made a list: https://sebastian-elisa-pfeifer.eu/tor.html

Lg