For what it's worth, since there's a filter that's shipped and nominally supported "officially"... On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:41:19 -0400 Nick Mathewson <nickm@torproject.org> wrote:

But I could be wrong! Maybe there are subsets that are safer than others.

https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor-browser/sandboxed-tor-browser.git/tree/src... The threat model I used when writing it was, "firefox is probably owned by the CIA/NSA/FBI/FSB/DGSE/AVID/GCHQ/BND/Illuminati/Reptilians, the filter itself is trusted". There's a feature vs annonymity tradeoff, so it's up to the user to enable the circuit display if they want firefox to have visibility into certain things. Allowed (Passed through to the tor daemon): * `SIGNAL NEWNYM`. If both `addressmap_clear_transient();` and `rend_client_purge_state();` aren't important then it can disallow the call, because it rewrites the SOCKS isolation for all connections to the SOCKSPort. At one point this was entirely synthetic and not propagated. It's only a huge problem if people are not using the containerized tor instance. It's worth noting that even if I change the behavior to just change the SOCKS auth, a misbehaving firefox can still force new circuits for itself. The sandbox code could pop up a modal dialog box asking if the user really wants to "New Identity" or "New Tor Circuit for this Site", so that "scary" behavior requires manual user intervention (since torbutton's confirmation is probably subverted and not to be trusted). * (Optional) `GETCONF BRIDGE`. The Tor Browser circuit display uses this to filter out Bridges from the display. Since the circuit display is optional, this only happens if the user explicitly decides that they want the circuit display. * (Optional) `GETINFO ns/id/`. Required for the circuit display. Mostly harmless. * (Optional) `GETINFO ip-to-country/`. Required for the circuit display. Harmless. Could be handled by the filter. Synthetic (Responses generated by the filter): * `PROTOCOLINFO`. Not used by Tor Browser, even though it should be. Everything except the tor version is synthetic. * `AUTHENTICATE`. Just returns success since the filtered control port does not require authentication. * `AUTHCHALLENGE`. Just returns an error. See `AUTHENTICATE`. * `QUIT`. Only prior to the `AUTHENTICATE` call. Not actually used by Tor Browser ever. * `GETINFO net/listeners/socks`. torbutton freaks out without this. The response synthetically generated to match what torbutton expects. * (Optional) `SETEVENTS STREAM`. Required for the circuit display. Events are synthetically generated to only include streams that firefox created. * (Optional) `GETINFO circuit-status`. Required for the circuit display. Responses are synthetically generated to only include circuits that firefox created. Denied: * Everything else.

So above, I see a few common patterns: * Many restrictive filters still let the application learn enough about the user's behavior to deanonymize them. If the threat model is intended to resist a hostile application, then that application can't be allowed to communicate with the outside world, even over Tor.

"The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards - and even then I have my doubts." -- spaf

* The NEWNYM-based side-channel above is a little scary.

I don't think this is solvable while giving the application the ability to re-generate circuits. Maybe my modal doom dialog box should run away from the user's mouse cursor, and play klaxon sounds too. The use model I officially support is "sandboxed-tor-browser launches a tor daemon in a separate container dedicated to firefox". People who do other things, get what they deserve.

And where do we go forward from here?

If it were up to me, I'd re-write the circuit display to only show the exit(s) when applicable, since IMO firefox is not to be trusted with the IP address of the user's Guard. But the circuit display when running sandboxed defaults to off, so people that enable it, presumably fully understand the implications of doing so.

The filters above seem to have been created by granting the applications only the commands that they actually need, and by filtering all the other commands. But if we'd like filters that actually provide some security against hostile applications using the control port, we'll need to take a different tactic: we'll need to define the threat models that we're trying to work within, and see what we can safely expose under those models.

"Via the control port a subverted firefox can get certain information about what firefox is doing, if the user configures it that way, otherwise, all it can do is repeatedly NEWNYM" is what I think I ended up with. Though I have the benefit of being able to force all application network traffic through code I control, which makes life easier. Regards, -- Yawning Angel

Hi Nick. Just a quick note that something I've wanted from time to time is a 'make the control port read-only' option so only GETINFO, GETCONF, events, etc would work. Yes, these could be used to deanonymize a user, but it could provide assurance the controller doesn't tamper with tor. This has been of interest to me since nyx (aka arm) is primarily a read-only monitor and this could provide users with an assurance that it's not doing anything to their tor instance. Besides that, 'makes the control port read-only' is a pretty straight forward, simple to understand capability for a torrc option to have. Cheers! -Damian On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Nick Mathewson <nickm@torproject.org> wrote:

Hi!

As you may know, the Tor control port assumes that if you can authenticate to it, you are completely trusted with respect to the Tor instance you have authenticated to. But there are a few programs and tools that filter access to the Tor control port, in an attempt to provide more restricted access.

When I've been asked to think about including such a feature in Tor in the past, I've pointed out that while filtering commands is fairly easy, defining a safe subset of the Tor control protocol is not. The problem is that many subsets of the control port protocol are sufficient for a hostile application to deanonymize users in surprising ways.

But I could be wrong! Maybe there are subsets that are safer than others.

Let me try to illustrate. I'll be looking at a few filter sets for example. ===== Filters from https://github.com/subgraph/roflcoptor/filters :

1. gnome-shell.json

This filter allows "SIGNAL NEWNYM", which can potentially be used to deanonymize a user who is on a single site for a long time by causing that user to rebuild new circuits with a given timing pattern.

2. onioncircuits.json

Allows "GETINFO circuit-status" and "GETINFO stream-status", which expose to the application a complete list of where the user is visiting and how they are getting there.

3. onionshare-gui.json

Allows "SETEVENTS HS_DESC", which is exposes to the application every hidden service which the user is visiting.

4. ricochet.json

Allows "SETEVENTS HS_DESC", for which see "onionshare-gui" above.

5. tbb.json

Allows "SETEVENTS STREAM" and "GETINFO circuit-status", for which see "onioncircuits" above.

===== Filters from https://git-tails.immerda.ch/tails/tree/config/chroot_local-includes/etc/tor... :

1. onioncircuits.yml

See onioncircuits.json above; it allows the same GETINFO stuff.

2. onionshare.yml

As above, appears to allow HS_DESC events. It allows "GETINFO onions/current", which can expose a list of every onion service locally hosted, even those not launched through onionshare.

3. tor-browser.yml

As "tbb.json" above.

4. tor-launcher.yml

Allows setconf of bridges, which allows the app to pick a hostile bridge on purpose. Similar issues with Socks*Proxy. The app can also use ReachableAddresses to restrict guards on the .

Allows SAVECONF, which lets the application make the above changes permanent (for as long as the torrc file is persisted) =====

So above, I see a few common patterns: * Many restrictive filters still let the application learn enough about the user's behavior to deanonymize them. If the threat model is intended to resist a hostile application, then that application can't be allowed to communicate with the outside world, even over Tor.

* Many restrictive filters block SETCONF and SAVECONF. These two changes together should be enough to make sure that a hostile application can only deanonymize _current_ traffic, not future Tor traffic. Is that the threat model? It's coherent, at least.

* Some applications that care about their own onion services inadvertantly find themselves informed about everyone else's onion services. I wonder if there's a way around that?

* The NEWNYM-based side-channel above is a little scary.

And where do we go forward from here?

The filters above seem to have been created by granting the applications only the commands that they actually need, and by filtering all the other commands. But if we'd like filters that actually provide some security against hostile applications using the control port, we'll need to take a different tactic: we'll need to define the threat models that we're trying to work within, and see what we can safely expose under those models.

Here are a few _possible_ models we could think about, but I'd like to hear from app developers and filter authors and distributors more about what they think:

A. Completely trusted controller. (What we have now)

B. Controller is untrusted, but is blocked from exfiltrating information. B.1. Controller can't connect to the network at all. B.2. Controller can't connect to the network except over tor.

C. Controller is trusted wrt all current private information, but future private information must remain secure.

D. Controller is trusted wrt a fraction of the requests that the clients are handling. (For example, all requests going over a single SOCKSPort, or all ADD_ONION requests that it makes itself.)

E. Your thoughts here....?

signing-off-before-this-turns-into-a-capabilities-based-system, -- Nick _______________________________________________ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev

Nick Mathewson:

Hi!

As you may know, the Tor control port assumes that if you can authenticate to it, you are completely trusted with respect to the Tor instance you have authenticated to. But there are a few programs and tools that filter access to the Tor control port, in an attempt to provide more restricted access.

When I've been asked to think about including such a feature in Tor in the past, I've pointed out that while filtering commands is fairly easy, defining a safe subset of the Tor control protocol is not. The problem is that many subsets of the control port protocol are sufficient for a hostile application to deanonymize users in surprising ways.

But I could be wrong! Maybe there are subsets that are safer than others.

Let me try to illustrate. I'll be looking at a few filter sets for example. [...] Filters from https://git-tails.immerda.ch/tails/tree/config/chroot_local-includes/etc/tor...

Small note: we've renamed tor-controlport-filter to onion-grater, to not infringe on the Tor trademark. :)

1. onioncircuits.yml

See onioncircuits.json above; it allows the same GETINFO stuff.

The whole point of onioncircuits is to present all Tor circuit/stream state to the users since they (IIRC) feel that Tor is too opaque without this (and I'm sure the Tor Browser added its per-tab circuit view for similar reasons). In other words, the point of onioncircuits *is* to expose this information. Hence I guess this all boils down balancing the security consequences of this (e.g. user compromise => full Tor state leak) vs the desired transparency. As for Tails, my impression of our current threat model here is that we don't protect against the main user being compromised, so we certainly won't sacrifice the transparency desired by our users to block this leak -- there are probably equally bad leaks around already so that sacrifice would be pointless. But we are incrementally working towards this by limiting information leaks (e.g. control port filtering) and sandboxing applications to protect full user compromise so we *do* care about these things. At the point where we feel we can start caring about this for real we'll have to revisit this point.

2. onionshare.yml

As above, appears to allow HS_DESC events.

Explanation: modern (ADD_ONION instead of SETCONF HiddenService{Dir,Port}) onionshare uses stem's create_ephemeral_hidden_service() with `await_publication = True`, which means waiting for the corresponding HS_DESC event. I believe the roflcoptor filter was written for the "old" onionshare only.

It allows "GETINFO onions/current", which can expose a list of every onion service locally hosted, even those not launched through onionshare.

I think this can be disallowed; in fact, when looking at the onionshare and stem sources I don't see why this would ever be used by onionshare.

3. tor-browser.yml

As "tbb.json" above.

Not quite! As intrigeri pointed out, this filter sets `restrict-stream-events: true` which gives what meejah called a "limited view" of the STREAM events, namely only those "belonging" to the client/controller (implementation: for each event look up which PID that has opened the socket with the event's source address/port, then match PIDs to determine whether it should be suppressed or not). So, how bad is "GETINFO circuit-status" with only the "limited" STREAM view)? Well, by knowing all circuits' exit nodes an attacker that also observes the traffic of these exit nodes knows a bit more than what we are comfortable with. :/ I guess treating "GETINFO circuit-status" specially with a `restrict-circuit-status` option that, when set, suppresses circuits that doesn't have any stream belonging to the client. But the same goes for CIRC events and "GETINFO stream-status", so, in fact, what about these options: * restrict-circuit-view: when enabled: - "GETINFO circuit-status" will only show circuits that has some stream attached that belongs to the controller. - CIRC events are dropped unless some stream attached to the circuit in question belongs to the controller. * restrict-stream-view (replacing the current `restrict-stream-events`): - "GETINFO stream-status" will only show streams belonging to the controller. - STREAM events are dropped unless they belong to the controller. Does this make sense? What other bits of sensitive internal Tor state accessible for controllers have I missed? BTW, I guess a `restrict-onion-view` would also make sense for HS_DESC events and "GETINFO onions/current", but I see no general way to learn what application an onion "belongs" to. The filter could keep track of it, but such tracking would be lost if restarted (and not tracked at all if the onion was added before the filter started). A general solution would depend on little-t tor tracking this information, e.g. the PID of the controller that asked for an onion to be added. That seems ugly, though.

4. tor-launcher.yml

Allows setconf of bridges, which allows the app to pick a hostile bridge on purpose. Similar issues with Socks*Proxy. The app can also use ReachableAddresses to restrict guards on the .

Being able to set these options arbitrarily is Tor Launcher's purpose, so I'm fine with all this. We treat it as a "trusted" application in Tails, and I'm having difficulties imaging how it could be any different.

Allows SAVECONF, which lets the application make the above changes permanent (for as long as the torrc file is persisted)

Indeed! In general, Tails users have control of exactly what should persist, so it depends on their own threat model here. At the moment Tails itself does nothing to support making torrc persistent, but if we could make only the part of torrc that Tor Launcher sets persistent I'm sure we would (preferably on a per-network basis).

So above, I see a few common patterns: [...] * Many restrictive filters block SETCONF and SAVECONF. These two changes together should be enough to make sure that a hostile application can only deanonymize _current_ traffic, not future Tor traffic. Is that the threat model? It's coherent, at least.

FWIW, Tails has this threat model in general.

* The NEWNYM-based side-channel above is a little scary.

Agreed! NEWNYM is too broad when multiple clients use the same tor instance -- right now a compromised Tor Browser would be able to influence all other torified applications. I'd be great if instead of NEWNYM the "New identity" feature would use the same mechanism as for "New Tor Circuit for this Site" for all tabs' domains before clearing the browser session; this way, if any of the domains are revisited, it would be with a new circuit, so it is as if we had issued a NEWNYM scoped only for the Tor Browsers circuits, so other applications are unaffected.

And where do we go forward from here?

The filters above seem to have been created by granting the applications only the commands that they actually need, and by filtering all the other commands. But if we'd like filters that actually provide some security against hostile applications using the control port, we'll need to take a different tactic: we'll need to define the threat models that we're trying to work within, and see what we can safely expose under those models.

Here are a few _possible_ models we could think about, but I'd like to hear from app developers and filter authors and distributors more about what they think:

A. Completely trusted controller. (What we have now)

It can be argued that Tor Launcher (and similar) could be in this category since the capabilities it must have in order to do its job are so severe that preventing other capabilities won't make much difference. OTOH, if there are mechanisms for limiting this, why not use them? And we do need such mechanisms to support the other relevant use cases.

B. Controller is untrusted, but is blocked from exfiltrating information. B.1. Controller can't connect to the network at all. B.2. Controller can't connect to the network except over tor.

In Tails, B.2 is strongly enforced for all network usage, not just controllers, but B.1 less so; for instance, onioncircuits runs as the normal user, but any application under that user is allowed to connect to the Internet through Tor, so if that user is compromised the information onionshare has access to can leak out on the network (but through Tor). B.1 seems really desirable for Tor state visualisation applications like onioncircuits, but I fear only heavily compartmentalized systems like Qubes and Whonix can go in this direction. B.2 seems like something that only can be achieved in systems where Tor is enforced for all connections on at least the OS-level, like in Tails and Whonix, but that threat model already strictly includes this one, so it seems irrelevant.

D. Controller is trusted wrt a fraction of the requests that the clients are handling. (For example, all requests going over a single SOCKSPort, or all ADD_ONION requests that it makes itself.)

I feel work in this direction is highly necessary for many threat models and applications, not least Tor Browser itself vs. Tor's stream state. As I mentioned above, Tails' control port filter allows a controller to only see its own Tor stream state, and that should be expanded to circuits and onions too. It would be even nicer if tor internally tracked usage of both SocksPort and ControlPort on an application-level, and controller commands would be scoped accordingly: controllers would only be able to see stream/circuit/hidden service/etc state belonging to them. Just to give you an idea, the tracking could be by PID (which is pretty weak). Imagine that ControlPort can take a "RestrictedView" flag. When set, controllers will get a view of Tor's state (streams, circuits, onions etc) restricted to what "belongs" to them, e.g. it only sees streams for connections itself made via the SocksPort. Tor would then have to internally track who these things belong to, which could be done by PID, which is pretty weak, but I bet there are more convincing ways. A crappy idea would be that the cookie used for authenticating to the ControlPort would be unique for the application and also used for the SocksPort (via SOCKS authentication), so that when the "RestrictedView" flag is set, controllers only see things originating from the ControlPort and SocksPorts that have used the same cookie. Other interesting ideas? Cheers!