I recently had a brainstorm at Feast VI, a locally crowd sourced micro-grant catered dinner where ten artists each pitch their projects for ten or twelve minutes. The diners vote, and the winner takes home the gate; this time around it was approximately $1,300. http://www.feastboise.com/ I edit Wikipedia a lot, and thus am delighted by the ambient music of Listen to Wikipedia. http://listen.hatnote.com/#en So, why not Listen to Tor? More specifically, to a Tor exit node? I'm a bit surprised that this music of anonymity (so to speak) hasn't, AFAIK, occurred to anyone else. I recall that Vidalia, long since deprecated, offered several options for exit node traffic... So if anyone wants to make aleatoric music from Tor, keep me informed... Feast VII is, I believe, in September. If you want to pitch generating art from Tor, that's one venue. And if the basic idea isn't technically or otherwise feasible, kick it around until it is!
Kenneth Freeman:
I edit Wikipedia a lot, and thus am delighted by the ambient music of Listen to Wikipedia.
So, why not Listen to Tor? More specifically, to a Tor exit node?
Very interesting idea.
I'm a bit surprised that this music of anonymity (so to speak) hasn't, AFAIK, occurred to anyone else. I recall that Vidalia, long since deprecated, offered several options for exit node traffic...
Now this is getting a bit tricky... We encourage Tor exit operators to not to monitor or tamper with the data. This sounds very much like monitoring their exit and reporting back every TCP connection or circuit.
So if anyone wants to make aleatoric music from Tor, keep me informed... Feast VII is, I believe, in September. If you want to pitch generating art from Tor, that's one venue. And if the basic idea isn't technically or otherwise feasible, kick it around until it is!
Do you know about Onionoo? https://onionoo.torproject.org I'm wondering if it's possible to do such a thing with the kind of data Oniionoo provides from the Tor network. Keep up with creativity! -- Nima 0XC009DB191C92A77B | @mrphs "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" --Evelyn Beatrice Hall
On 05/17/2015 11:32 AM, Nima Fatemi wrote:
Now this is getting a bit tricky... We encourage Tor exit operators to not to monitor or tamper with the data. This sounds very much like monitoring their exit and reporting back every TCP connection or circuit.
I was thinking along the lines of FTP generating one tone, a chat session a chord, etc., but yeah.
Do you know about Onionoo?
Vaguely. I use Atlas.
I'm wondering if it's possible to do such a thing with the kind of data Oniionoo provides from the Tor network.
Probably. Tor is such an intense research target, I figured that the real-time metadata and statistics could somehow be made acoustic.
Keep up with creativity!
Thanks. I hope someone runs with this!
On 17/05/15 06:17, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
I recently had a brainstorm at Feast VI, a locally crowd sourced micro-grant catered dinner where ten artists each pitch their projects for ten or twelve minutes. The diners vote, and the winner takes home the gate; this time around it was approximately $1,300.
I edit Wikipedia a lot, and thus am delighted by the ambient music of Listen to Wikipedia.
So, why not Listen to Tor? More specifically, to a Tor exit node?
I'm a bit surprised that this music of anonymity (so to speak) hasn't, AFAIK, occurred to anyone else. I recall that Vidalia, long since deprecated, offered several options for exit node traffic...
So if anyone wants to make aleatoric music from Tor, keep me informed... Feast VII is, I believe, in September. If you want to pitch generating art from Tor, that's one venue. And if the basic idea isn't technically or otherwise feasible, kick it around until it is!
Hi Kenneth, What a cool idea! I played around with sonification of network traffic once upon a time, using kismet, tcpdump and fluidsynth glued together with a bit of perl. You can listen to the results here: http://sonification.eu/ To avoid the privacy issues with monitoring exit node traffic, perhaps you could run this on the client's LAN, producing two pieces of music, one for unanonymised traffic and the other for the same traffic passed through Tor? Then we'd know what privacy sounds like. :-) Cheers, Michael
On 05/21/2015 07:29 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
Hi Kenneth,
What a cool idea! I played around with sonification of network traffic once upon a time, using kismet, tcpdump and fluidsynth glued together with a bit of perl. You can listen to the results here:
Seriously cool.
To avoid the privacy issues with monitoring exit node traffic, perhaps you could run this on the client's LAN, producing two pieces of music, one for unanonymised traffic and the other for the same traffic passed through Tor? Then we'd know what privacy sounds like. :-)
I hadn't considered the identified vis-à-vis anonymous traffic differential before. Interesting! In a sense I'd like to do with Tor what the same sense & sensibility has already done with Wi-Fi with digital hearing aids: code transformation. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429952.300-the-man-who-can-hear-wifi... I haven't any skill set for coding whatsoever, but a DJ at KRBX Radio Boise hase expressed some interest (I wrote the Wikipedia article on the Treefort Music Fest), and I've spoken on the air about Tor, so an acoustic rendition of Tor is not beyond reason.
So...wouldn't the torified traffic sound like...white noise? I can fall asleep to that. On 5/22/2015 at 6:09 PM, "Kenneth Freeman" wrote:On 05/21/2015 07:29 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
Hi Kenneth,
What a cool idea! I played around with sonification of network traffic once upon a time, using kismet, tcpdump and fluidsynth glued together with a bit of perl. You can listen to the results here:
Seriously cool.
To avoid the privacy issues with monitoring exit node traffic, perhaps you could run this on the client's LAN, producing two pieces of music, one for unanonymised traffic and the other for the same traffic passed through Tor? Then we'd know what privacy sounds like. :-)
I hadn't considered the identified vis-à-vis anonymous traffic differential before. Interesting! In a sense I'd like to do with Tor what the same sense & sensibility has already done with Wi-Fi with digital hearing aids: code transformation. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429952.300-the-man-who-can-hear-wifi... I haven't any skill set for coding whatsoever, but a DJ at KRBX Radio Boise hase expressed some interest (I wrote the Wikipedia article on the Treefort Music Fest), and I've spoken on the air about Tor, so an acoustic rendition of Tor is not beyond reason.
Client perspective--Maybe listen to controller events? Integrate exit map for audible notification of impending doom. Exit perspective--Crying kittens, non-stop On 5/22/2015 at 6:33 PM, "Kenneth Freeman" wrote:On 05/22/2015 04:27 PM, l.m wrote:
So...wouldn't the torified traffic sound like...white noise? I can fall asleep to that.
In and of itself a sufficient condition.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
On 05/22/2015 04:27 PM, l.m wrote:
So...wouldn't the torified traffic sound like...white noise? I can fall asleep to that.
In and of itself a sufficient condition.
Safe data gathering nonwithstanding, it would be interesting if there were actually diagnostic or other information that became salient when rendered in an auditory modality: higher fraction of highly interactive (e.g. IRC) traffic?, sudden DDoS underway?, why does it sound different when Europe wakes up than when California wakes up?, does that stop happening if a botnet uses Tor for C&C?, and does whiteness (pinkness?) of noise reflect a decent metric for traffic-security, etc. aloha, Paul
On 05/26/2015 07:08 AM, Paul Syverson wrote:
Safe data gathering nonwithstanding, it would be interesting if there were actually diagnostic or other information that became salient when rendered in an auditory modality: higher fraction of highly interactive (e.g. IRC) traffic?, sudden DDoS underway?, why does it sound different when Europe wakes up than when California wakes up?, does that stop happening if a botnet uses Tor for C&C?, and does whiteness (pinkness?) of noise reflect a decent metric for traffic-security, etc.
I hadn't considered the ambient diagnostic angle. In a way the music of anonymity is like the smell of space. You wouldn't think there was such a thing, but there is. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-space-smells-like...
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