Specifying the term "vendor" on OONI Explorer
Dear Oonitarians, I would like to discuss wether the vagueness of the term 'vendor' on http://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/ is potentially taking some impact from understanding OONIs test results for new users. I personally recall thinking it meant something like "vendors of internet infrastructure" the first time I visited the explorer, and the only place to figure it out is in one of the boxes in /highlights/. I'm not entirely sure what an appropriate specification should look like, I guess it's a balance between correct definition and convenience in length - with a focus on the first my proposal would be "vendors of [potentially] traffic manipulating software" - but that's so long it will probably break the design of the front page. Maybe if someone knows a shorter, appropriate synonym for "[potentially] traffic manipulating software" ? Best wishes, Anatol
Hi, Anatol:
I would like to discuss wether the vagueness of the term 'vendor' on http://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/ is potentially taking some impact from understanding OONIs test results for new users. I personally recall thinking it meant something like "vendors of internet infrastructure" the first time I visited the explorer, and the only place to figure it out is in one of the boxes in /highlights/.
I'm not entirely sure what an appropriate specification should look like, I guess it's a balance between correct definition and convenience in length - with a focus on the first my proposal would be "vendors of [potentially] traffic manipulating software" - but that's so long it will probably break the design of the front page. Maybe if someone knows a shorter, appropriate synonym for "[potentially] traffic manipulating software" ?
Bringing this up perhaps some candidates (note if they are too long): - network traffic manipulation software/hardware - netwrok traffic manipulation device Cheers, ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
On 05/06/2017 12:43 -0400, Vasilis wrote: > Hi, > > Anatol: >> I would like to discuss wether the vagueness of the term 'vendor' on >> http://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/ is potentially taking some impact >> from understanding OONIs test results for new users. I personally recall >> thinking it meant something like "vendors of internet infrastructure" >> the first time I visited the explorer, and the only place to figure it >> out is in one of the boxes in /highlights/. >> >> I'm not entirely sure what an appropriate specification should look >> like, I guess it's a balance between correct definition and convenience >> in length - with a focus on the first my proposal would be "vendors of >> [potentially] traffic manipulating software" - but that's so long it >> will probably break the design of the front page. Maybe if someone knows >> a shorter, appropriate synonym for "[potentially] traffic manipulating >> software" ? > Bringing this up perhaps some candidates (note if they are too long): > - network traffic manipulation software/hardware > - netwrok traffic manipulation device > Maybe for consistency also with the rest of OONI software, we may as well just call them "middle boxes" and maybe cross link it with a longer explanation of what it is exactly. ~ A.
Hi, I am new and I do not understand 'vendor' applicably to the internet. I assumed it could be ISP but there is no 'vendor' in Wikipedia article about ISPs. Closed I can think of is Transit ISPs but technically it is not always is. From a consumer point of view that would a 'wholesale internet provider' or 'wholesale ISP'. Regards Dimitri If you want target normal people, not just nerds, there are few words they are understand: 1. Blocking (instead of connectivity), explanation – they are blocking access to some sites. 2. Spying (instead of a middle box), explanation – someone (your ISP may collect all or some of your activity on the internet. 3. Speed test Ommit long names such as ‘HHTP header manipulation’ and . You can link Explanation and Solution to this problem relevant. -----Original Message----- From: ooni-talk [mailto:ooni-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org] On Behalf Of Arturo Filastò Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 6:05 AM To: ooni-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [ooni-talk] Specifying the term "vendor" on OONI Explorer On 05/06/2017 12:43 -0400, Vasilis wrote: > Hi, > > Anatol: >> I would like to discuss wether the vagueness of the term 'vendor' on >> http://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/ is potentially taking some >> impact from understanding OONIs test results for new users. I >> personally recall thinking it meant something like "vendors of internet infrastructure" >> the first time I visited the explorer, and the only place to figure >> it out is in one of the boxes in /highlights/. >> >> I'm not entirely sure what an appropriate specification should look >> like, I guess it's a balance between correct definition and >> convenience in length - with a focus on the first my proposal would >> be "vendors of [potentially] traffic manipulating software" - but >> that's so long it will probably break the design of the front page. >> Maybe if someone knows a shorter, appropriate synonym for >> "[potentially] traffic manipulating software" ? > Bringing this up perhaps some candidates (note if they are too long): > - network traffic manipulation software/hardware > - netwrok traffic manipulation device > Maybe for consistency also with the rest of OONI software, we may as well just call them "middle boxes" and maybe cross link it with a longer explanation of what it is exactly. ~ A. _______________________________________________ ooni-talk mailing list ooni-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ooni-talk
Hi, Thanks for everyones input. I find 'middle boxes' to be a good alternative, maybe supported with a 'blocking'-icon or some color code, explained on either a linked glossary page or something like a tooltip. Generally I have to agree with Dimitri, some of the terminology used in ooniprobe can be a bit abstract in it's technical specificity, having a resource to find some explanatory information could be practical. a On 07/06/17 06:32, Dimitri wrote: > Hi, I am new and I do not understand 'vendor' applicably to the internet. I assumed it could be ISP but there is no 'vendor' in Wikipedia article about ISPs. Closed I can think of is Transit ISPs but technically it is not always is. From a consumer point of view that would a 'wholesale internet provider' or 'wholesale ISP'. > > Regards > Dimitri > > If you want target normal people, not just nerds, there are few words they are understand: > 1. Blocking (instead of connectivity), explanation – they are blocking access to some sites. > 2. Spying (instead of a middle box), explanation – someone (your ISP may collect all or some of your activity on the internet. > 3. Speed test > Ommit long names such as ‘HHTP header manipulation’ and . You can link Explanation and Solution to this problem relevant. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ooni-talk [mailto:ooni-talk-bounces@lists.torproject.org] On Behalf Of Arturo Filastò > Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 6:05 AM > To: ooni-talk@lists.torproject.org > Subject: Re: [ooni-talk] Specifying the term "vendor" on OONI Explorer > > On 05/06/2017 12:43 -0400, Vasilis wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Anatol: >>> I would like to discuss wether the vagueness of the term 'vendor' on >>> http://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/ is potentially taking some >>> impact from understanding OONIs test results for new users. I >>> personally recall thinking it meant something like "vendors of internet infrastructure" >>> the first time I visited the explorer, and the only place to figure >>> it out is in one of the boxes in /highlights/. >>> >>> I'm not entirely sure what an appropriate specification should look >>> like, I guess it's a balance between correct definition and >>> convenience in length - with a focus on the first my proposal would >>> be "vendors of [potentially] traffic manipulating software" - but >>> that's so long it will probably break the design of the front page. >>> Maybe if someone knows a shorter, appropriate synonym for >>> "[potentially] traffic manipulating software" ? >> Bringing this up perhaps some candidates (note if they are too long): >> - network traffic manipulation software/hardware >> - netwrok traffic manipulation device >> > Maybe for consistency also with the rest of OONI software, we may as well just call them "middle boxes" and maybe cross link it with a longer explanation of what it is exactly. > > ~ A. > > _______________________________________________ > ooni-talk mailing list > ooni-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ooni-talk > > _______________________________________________ > ooni-talk mailing list > ooni-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ooni-talk
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Vasilis