[tor-talk] Tor and solidarity against online harassment
andre76 at fastmail.fm
andre76 at fastmail.fm
Mon Dec 15 13:10:04 UTC 2014
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2014, at 05:10 PM, s7r wrote:
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> I can see a lot of FUD spread around here regarding Roger and the NSA.
> First of all, Tor is free, open-source and its usage is not enforced.
> Feel free to use it if you trust it, if not that's ok with the rest of
> Second, I can't understand how some people think that, if Roger was
> colluding with the NSA or other LEA to undermine Tor's values or
> implement some kind of a backdoor, this would not be somehow be ket
> secret. The reason why it is public is exactly because there is
> nothing to hide in a polite collaboration for various topics.
> Who can think that a LEA will make information available to the public
> which could directly or indirectly disclose their involvement in
> something they want to keep secret? Like hey, how stupid the NSA and
> Roger were to make this information public, and how smart that person
> who read this in Roger's CV was and said: Caught ya! You are working
> for the NSA to backdoor Tor. 100 points answer.
> I might add the fact that Tor is not at war with LEA. Of course its
> goals are to ensure perfect anonymity for everyone, but if a LEA wants
> to have a discussion and ask more about Tor and how it works, why
> couldn't anyone with knowledge (including but not limited to the Tor
> developers) talk to them? It's always better for everyone to be
> properly informed. LEA is not something evil, as some people suggest
> directly or indirectly here, to the contrary, they are doing their
> jobs and Tor devs are doing theirs, but there _has_ to be diplomacy
> otherwise the thousands of years of human evolution are wasted.
> I am not saying under any circumstances that the NSA or other LEA are
> not trying to spy/crack Tor, just that it's done via other means
> outside of the control of the Tor devs.
> Last thing, receiving donations from the govt. has nothing to do with
> a backdoor either. Those money come as a donation and are tax
> deductible from fiscal law, and some agencies are _required_ to spread
> a certain % of their money to non profit foundations working on
> different things depending on their domain of activity. Once you make
> a donation, it's a donation by definition so you are not entitled to
> put any conditions, like ask for a certain feature or something,
> except the entire organization wants it too.
> If the money were given to control the development of Tor, they would
> be smarter than this and not fund Tor directly as it happens now. You
> think it's that complicated for the US govt. to find a big corporation
> with interests in the same field and proxy the money through them?
> Please think more before you accuse somebody who you don't even know
> or ever met.
I wasn't accusing anyone. I asked a question that needed asking.
Openness in this sort of thing (about anyone involved in the Tor project
or Tor itself) is critical to trust and confidence. So don't think this
subject is above questioning.
Meeting them or otherwise isn't the issue. And even if I did meet them?
> On 12/14/2014 5:52 AM, andre76 at fastmail.fm wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014, at 03:30 AM, kendrick eastes wrote:
> >> dont feed the troll. If you ignore them they go away faster.
> > I was interested in hearing what he had to say. You folks may
> > argue against him/her but it seems to me he had some valid points
> > though the poster probably knows that no one will listen to his
> > frustration.
> > In a later post someone said Rodger spent a summer with the NSA. Is
> > that true?
> > Thanks,
> > Roland
> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM, I <beatthebastards at inbox.com>
> >> wrote:
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