[tor-relays] Reaching out to webiron

Schokomilch NOC noc at schokomil.ch
Sun Feb 12 04:48:59 UTC 2017

I'd like to mention a few additional things:

Firstly if you look at the source code of their mail, then you will find 
that the image is hosted at a unique URL. Automatically loading the 
image will let them know that you opened the mail. They also publish 
this info in their abuse feed e.g.:


E-Mail Action: opened	2017-02-11 19:20:24.804194-07 abuse ATH 
us.leaseweb.com	Host has opened and viewed report

Then they also have a twitter bot which tweets nonsensical info into the 
www - https://twitter.com/webironbots

And lastly I tried to reply to one of their emails, but my mails are 
being rejected at their mx, even though the torexit and my mx are on 
different IPs. I inquired via their support-form and I received a very 
hostile reply (just like everyone else here) that my AS couldn't be 
trusted. So they rather block the whole AS on their mx (but they can't 
just block tor-exits????)

On 08.02.2017 08:59 AM, DaKnOb wrote:
> Incidentally yesterday I published a blog post featuring them and why
> their abuse e-mails are plain spam:
> https://blog.daknob.net/security-companies-and-abuse-e-mails/
>> On 08 Feb 2017, at 06:00, Andrew Deason <adeason at dson.org> wrote:
>> I run an exit node, and as such, I get abuse emails like this from
>> time
>> to time:
> <https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-October/007982.html>
>> Mostly I ignore them, but since their automated report contains the
>> sentence "Please feel free to send us your comments or responses.",
>> every so often I send something to complain about their practices.
>> To my
>> surprise, apparently somebody does actually read these because today
>> I
>> got a reply.
>> I'm not reproducing the entire response here without permission
>> (they
>> seem kinda touchy), but the person that replied did mention that
>> they
>> have some kind of rbl "in beta" regarding tor exits. They seemed to
>> imply that doing so was quite a burden on them, though, which I
>> don't
>> really understand (IME blocking tor exits is easy; intentionally
>> so).
>> I'm trying to keep the conversation going, but I was wondering if
>> anyone
>> from the tor project has tried to reach out to them in some kind of
>> official way? I'm just some random guy, so I don't know if it would
>> be
>> preferable for someone more knowledgeable, or with more access to
>> tor
>> infrastructure, to be conversing with them. (e.g. teor)
>> I assume some people will say this isn't even worth the effort; it's
>> not
>> like it's hard to just ignore those reports. But it doesn't take
>> much
>> effort to just try to talk ot them, and it perhaps helps to give tor
>> a
>> reputation of cooperation and helpfulness.
>> --
>> Andrew Deason
>> adeason at dson.org
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