[tor-relays] Reaching out to webiron

Dirk Eschbach tor-relay.dirk at o.banes.ch
Wed Feb 8 19:17:56 UTC 2017

Hi all,

@DaKnOb - read the article - nice.

I was in contact with Webiron maby 1.5 years ago - with a guy who
claimed to be the CTO.
Frankly sometimes it felt if the whole thing is a one man show.

However after a 2 days mail conversation where he was not behaving very
appropriate I finally managed
to get on their SPAM ignore list.

Since then it is quite. We react to automated mails by automated mails
mentioning if the problem persits please contact
another address. Therefore only the important stuff gets through.

Writing to Webiron is a 100% wast of time. I offered him to look at them
regarding their big problems with tor - but nothing came ever back.
They are just complaining - reasoning won't help.

Save you time for more important stuff.

best regards


On 08.02.2017 08:59, DaKnOb wrote:
> Incidentally yesterday I published a blog post featuring them and why
> their abuse e-mails are plain spam:
> https://blog.daknob.net/security-companies-and-abuse-e-mails/
>> On 08 Feb 2017, at 06:00, Andrew Deason <adeason at dson.org
>> <mailto:adeason at dson.org>> wrote:
>> I run an exit node, and as such, I get abuse emails like this from time
>> to time:
>> <https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-October/007982.html>
>> Mostly I ignore them, but since their automated report contains the
>> sentence "Please feel free to send us your comments or responses.",
>> every so often I send something to complain about their practices. To my
>> surprise, apparently somebody does actually read these because today I
>> got a reply.
>> I'm not reproducing the entire response here without permission (they
>> seem kinda touchy), but the person that replied did mention that they
>> have some kind of rbl "in beta" regarding tor exits. They seemed to
>> imply that doing so was quite a burden on them, though, which I don't
>> really understand (IME blocking tor exits is easy; intentionally so).
>> I'm trying to keep the conversation going, but I was wondering if anyone
>> from the tor project has tried to reach out to them in some kind of
>> official way? I'm just some random guy, so I don't know if it would be
>> preferable for someone more knowledgeable, or with more access to tor
>> infrastructure, to be conversing with them. (e.g. teor)
>> I assume some people will say this isn't even worth the effort; it's not
>> like it's hard to just ignore those reports. But it doesn't take much
>> effort to just try to talk ot them, and it perhaps helps to give tor a
>> reputation of cooperation and helpfulness.
>> -- 
>> Andrew Deason
>> adeason at dson.org <mailto:adeason at dson.org>
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