[tor-relays] Amazon abuse report

Nelson nelson at net2wireless.net
Tue Nov 5 04:45:49 UTC 2013

>From all that I have read in these lists not all exit nodes are
configured exactly the same, so some level of traffic control is being
rightly exercised by the operator(s). For any given reason be it moral,
ethical or legal many well known ports are being blocked, as was
previously discussed, as an example by setting up a "white-listing"
config rather than blacklisting, and these white-listed ports exclude
known ports used by Torrent sites. The choice to configure the exit node
should be left to the operator based on their own legitimate preference
and criteria.

The argument to "what if" is indeed relative to the level of control and
access to legitimate torrents such as "Tails", and therefore any
argument against freedom of access to legitimate content defeats the
purpose of Tor. This is not really an issue. I'll ask a stupid question:
"what comes first, the chicken or the egg?" If you have access to Tor
client in the first place and want to download Tails, where's the problem?

..and if you don't have Tor client installed in the first place, where
do you get it, so "they" (mel gibson quote) don't know.

On 11/4/2013 5:23 PM, Kevin C. Krinke wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Nelson <nelson at net2wireless.net
>> <mailto:nelson at net2wireless.net>> wrote:
>> I do believe there is a benefit to Torrents as many of us can attest to,
>> ex: fast downloads of different Linux distros; but if your use of
>> Torrents is in fact legit then why use Tor for downloading your legal
>> content in the first place? This doesn't pass the smell test.
> What about someone in a highly censored locale that wants to download a
> copy of Tails or TBB without "them" knowing?
>> +1 for restricting bandwidth
> For the record, my exit node does limit the ports as per the reduced
> exit policy [1] and I'd happily open it up wide if I could throttle just
> the torrenting to a minimally-usable level. However, I honestly don't
> think it's realistic to spend so much effort to solve the throttling of
> torrents when those efforts could be better spent elsewhere [2].
> Just my 0.00000000002BTC
> Cheers!
> -- 
> Kevin C. Krinke <kevin at krinke.ca <mailto:kevin at krinke.ca>>
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> [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ReducedExitPolicy
> [2] No idea what would be better deserving but I'm sure there's plenty
> of work in Tor-project-land that doesn't involve throttling hard-target
> services.
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