[tor-relays] Amazon abuse report

gq bugmagnet1 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 5 14:42:11 UTC 2013

Access to tails does not depend on any specific transfer protocol such 
as torrents correct?

Could it not be made available on a hidden service, a website. an email 
or ftp server within tor?

On 11/4/2013 11:45 PM, Nelson wrote:
>  From all that I have read in these lists not all exit nodes are
> configured exactly the same, so some level of traffic control is being
> rightly exercised by the operator(s). For any given reason be it moral,
> ethical or legal many well known ports are being blocked, as was
> previously discussed, as an example by setting up a "white-listing"
> config rather than blacklisting, and these white-listed ports exclude
> known ports used by Torrent sites. The choice to configure the exit node
> should be left to the operator based on their own legitimate preference
> and criteria.
> The argument to "what if" is indeed relative to the level of control and
> access to legitimate torrents such as "Tails", and therefore any
> argument against freedom of access to legitimate content defeats the
> purpose of Tor. This is not really an issue. I'll ask a stupid question:
> "what comes first, the chicken or the egg?" If you have access to Tor
> client in the first place and want to download Tails, where's the problem?
> ..and if you don't have Tor client installed in the first place, where
> do you get it, so "they" (mel gibson quote) don't know
> On 11/4/2013 5:23 PM, Kevin C. Krinke wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Nelson <nelson at net2wireless.net
>>> <mailto:nelson at net2wireless.net>> wrote:
>>> I do believe there is a benefit to Torrents as many of us can attest to,
>>> ex: fast downloads of different Linux distros; but if your use of
>>> Torrents is in fact legit then why use Tor for downloading your legal
>>> content in the first place? This doesn't pass the smell test.
>> What about someone in a highly censored locale that wants to download a
>> copy of Tails or TBB without "them" knowing?
>>> +1 for restricting bandwidth
>> For the record, my exit node does limit the ports as per the reduced
>> exit policy [1] and I'd happily open it up wide if I could throttle just
>> the torrenting to a minimally-usable level. However, I honestly don't
>> think it's realistic to spend so much effort to solve the throttling of
>> torrents when those efforts could be better spent elsewhere [2].
>> Just my 0.00000000002BTC
>> Cheers!
>> -- 
>> Kevin C. Krinke <kevin at krinke.ca <mailto:kevin at krinke.ca>>
>> GnuPG - 851662D2 - 0x18C67F61851662D2
>> http://kevin.c.krinke.ca/851662D2.asc
>> [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ReducedExitPolicy
>> [2] No idea what would be better deserving but I'm sure there's plenty
>> of work in Tor-project-land that doesn't involve throttling hard-target
>> services.
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