Hey, let's make Tor awesome!
It seems that there’s been some discussion about redesigning the main website a little while back in 2015SummerDevMeeting that brainstorming sessions were made and mockups were posted in Trac. That got me pretty excited! However looking at the issues on the wiki, there doesn’t seem to be anything related to the new redesign of the site. I think we should start planning and making the redesign sooner rather than later—not just for the sake of making it look pretty, but to communicate better to people (as you all are very well aware of!): - Simplifying for new users. I agree with the mockup for removing the recent blog posts because the page seems like is trying to both give old users updates and convince new users to use Tor which ends up cluttering the page. Not having updates and keeping it simple on the introductory page is a common aesthetic on modern product websites. An alternative to “User Stories” could be a bunch of quotes from users such as Molly Crabapple which you guys have done wonderfully on Twitter. I think this allows people to have more of an emotional connection with Tor. We could probably even go as far as merging both “Use Stories” and the “Why” sections into one section if we wanted to simplify the website even further. - Explaining why donations matter. Right now the donate button is just … well ... a button. Explaining why people should donate to Tor is also important. Seeing something like this from Brain Pickings shows you that it’s easy to donate, and that your money is worth a lot when it comes to helping out. The emotion factor of that sidebar vs a button that says “donate” is huge. Now this is just the main page, and there’s definitely a lot of work to be done as witnessed by the redesign work in other companies! I know that there are some excited people in Tor as well, and I’d like to help out if that’s possible. A little about me: I’m Jag Talon, and I work for DuckDuckGo making some front-end stuffs. I have the experience that I think would help in a redesign like this, and I have some free time to do it as well. I think a good first step would be to have the core Tor people to sketch out their ideas and for them to say what would make this redesign a success so that we have an idea on what things the design should prioritize on. What do you think? - Jag Talon
Would it be a good idea to try posting mockups on the wiki based on the brainstorming session to see what people like? On December 13, 2015 at 12:27:20 PM, Jag Talon (jag@jagtalon.com) wrote: It seems that there’s been some discussion about redesigning the main website a little while back in 2015SummerDevMeeting that brainstorming sessions were made and mockups were posted in Trac. That got me pretty excited! However looking at the issues on the wiki, there doesn’t seem to be anything related to the new redesign of the site. I think we should start planning and making the redesign sooner rather than later—not just for the sake of making it look pretty, but to communicate better to people (as you all are very well aware of!): - Simplifying for new users. I agree with the mockup for removing the recent blog posts because the page seems like is trying to both give old users updates and convince new users to use Tor which ends up cluttering the page. Not having updates and keeping it simple on the introductory page is a common aesthetic on modern product websites. An alternative to “User Stories” could be a bunch of quotes from users such as Molly Crabapple which you guys have done wonderfully on Twitter. I think this allows people to have more of an emotional connection with Tor. We could probably even go as far as merging both “Use Stories” and the “Why” sections into one section if we wanted to simplify the website even further. - Explaining why donations matter. Right now the donate button is just … well ... a button. Explaining why people should donate to Tor is also important. Seeing something like this from Brain Pickings shows you that it’s easy to donate, and that your money is worth a lot when it comes to helping out. The emotion factor of that sidebar vs a button that says “donate” is huge. Now this is just the main page, and there’s definitely a lot of work to be done as witnessed by the redesign work in other companies! I know that there are some excited people in Tor as well, and I’d like to help out if that’s possible. A little about me: I’m Jag Talon, and I work for DuckDuckGo making some front-end stuffs. I have the experience that I think would help in a redesign like this, and I have some free time to do it as well. I think a good first step would be to have the core Tor people to sketch out their ideas and for them to say what would make this redesign a success so that we have an idea on what things the design should prioritize on. What do you think? - Jag Talon
Hi Jag! And everyone else :) First let me introduce myself - my name is Isabela and I am Project Manager at Tor. I helped facilitate the discussions during the last Dev Meeting in Berlin about redesigning the website: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign Part of the reason this discussion haven't moved is my fault - I got really busy with our first crowdfunding campaign (yay!) and only now I can pick up this conversation again. Jag, I apologize for the lack of response to your email. Your comments are right in line with what we are thinking here and is great to know you are excited about this project! We do hope to count with the community help on it. I want to schedule some time for us to chat on IRC so we can better organize this effort. As everyone might imagine this is a big effort where we will be touching a lot of content and things can get messy pretty fast. I would like to coordinate this project using trac and irc, get tickets going to follow up on tasks and also organize a periodic irc meeting for us to check in. I thought of a set of tasks that will help us get started - all of them are child tickets of #18243: 1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g. dev.torproject.org) etc. 2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different approaches before we decide which one we will do 3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort and how they can help. As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a review process, which we hope to scale to include localization review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute' part of the wiki: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our UX team as well. So lets organize this irc meeting? I would love to hear your suggestions as well. Let's meet and chat what else we should be doing or what can be improved in this process for us to get this project done. Please help pick up a time to meet: http://doodle.com/poll/wfct3hx8hv566qi3 I hope I am not dropping a bomb (!) with so much info, but I was eager to get this going and as you can see I've been thinking about it. Lets schedule a chat next week! Cheers, Isabela On 12/16/2015 02:29 PM, Jag Talon wrote:
Would it be a good idea to try posting mockups on the wiki based on the brainstorming session to see what people like?
On December 13, 2015 at 12:27:20 PM, Jag Talon (jag@jagtalon.com <mailto:jag@jagtalon.com>) wrote:
It seems that there’s been some discussion about redesigning the main website a little while back in 2015SummerDevMeeting <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2015SummerDevMeeting> that brainstorming sessions were made and mockups were posted in Trac <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign>. That got me pretty excited!
However looking at the issues on the wiki, there doesn’t seem to be anything related to the new redesign of the site. I think we should start planning and making the redesign sooner rather than later—not just for the sake of making it look pretty, but to communicate better to people (as you all are very well aware of!):
- *Simplifying for new users.* I agree with the mockup for removing the recent blog posts because the page seems like is trying to both give old users updates and convince new users to use Tor which ends up cluttering the page. Not having updates and keeping it simple on the introductory page is a common aesthetic on modern product websites <https://imgur.com/a/YWFZK>.
An alternative to “User Stories” could be a bunch of quotes from users such as Molly Crabapple which you guys have done wonderfully on Twitter <https://twitter.com/torproject/status/674682349771190272>. I think this allows people to have more of an emotional connection with Tor. We could probably even go as far as merging both “Use Stories” and the “Why” sections into one section <https://imgur.com/7DoQ2Xm> if we wanted to simplify the website even further.
- *Explaining why donations matter.* Right now the donate button is just … well ... a button. Explaining why people should donate to Tor is also important. Seeing something like this <https://imgur.com/bklC9DM> from Brain Pickings shows you that it’s easy to donate, and that your money is worth a lot when it comes to helping out. The emotion factor of that sidebar vs a button that says “donate” is huge.
Now this is just the main page, and there’s definitely a lot of work to be done as witnessed by the redesign work in other companies <http://codepen.seesparkbox.com/>! I know that there are some excited people in Tor as well, and I’d like to help out if that’s possible. A little about me: I’m Jag Talon, and I work for DuckDuckGo making some front-end stuffs <https://medium.com/@juantalon/building-the-developer-pages-consistent-styling-1b91a27c5612#.5sfv8bjks>. I have the experience that I think would help in a redesign like this, and I have some free time to do it as well.
I think a good first step would be to have the core Tor people to sketch out their ideas and for them to say what would make this redesign a success so that we have an idea on what things the design should prioritize on. What do you think?
- Jag Talon
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Hey Isabela, I'm Liam! I'm good for anytime. On 2/4/2016 12:36 PM, Isabela wrote:
Hi Jag! And everyone else :)
First let me introduce myself - my name is Isabela and I am Project Manager at Tor. I helped facilitate the discussions during the last Dev Meeting in Berlin about redesigning the website: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign
Part of the reason this discussion haven't moved is my fault - I got really busy with our first crowdfunding campaign (yay!) and only now I can pick up this conversation again.
Jag, I apologize for the lack of response to your email. Your comments are right in line with what we are thinking here and is great to know you are excited about this project! We do hope to count with the community help on it.
I want to schedule some time for us to chat on IRC so we can better organize this effort. As everyone might imagine this is a big effort where we will be touching a lot of content and things can get messy pretty fast.
I would like to coordinate this project using trac and irc, get tickets going to follow up on tasks and also organize a periodic irc meeting for us to check in.
I thought of a set of tasks that will help us get started - all of them are child tickets of #18243:
1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g. dev.torproject.org) etc. 2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different approaches before we decide which one we will do 3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort and how they can help.
As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a review process, which we hope to scale to include localization review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute' part of the wiki: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute
We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our UX team as well.
So lets organize this irc meeting? I would love to hear your suggestions as well. Let's meet and chat what else we should be doing or what can be improved in this process for us to get this project done.
Please help pick up a time to meet: http://doodle.com/poll/wfct3hx8hv566qi3
I hope I am not dropping a bomb (!) with so much info, but I was eager to get this going and as you can see I've been thinking about it.
Lets schedule a chat next week!
Cheers, Isabela
On 12/16/2015 02:29 PM, Jag Talon wrote:
Would it be a good idea to try posting mockups on the wiki based on the brainstorming session to see what people like?
On December 13, 2015 at 12:27:20 PM, Jag Talon (jag@jagtalon.com <mailto:jag@jagtalon.com>) wrote:
It seems that there’s been some discussion about redesigning the main website a little while back in 2015SummerDevMeeting <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2015SummerDevMeeting> that brainstorming sessions were made and mockups were posted in Trac <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign>. That got me pretty excited!
However looking at the issues on the wiki, there doesn’t seem to be anything related to the new redesign of the site. I think we should start planning and making the redesign sooner rather than later—not just for the sake of making it look pretty, but to communicate better to people (as you all are very well aware of!):
- *Simplifying for new users.* I agree with the mockupfor removing the recent blog posts because the page seems like is trying to both give old users updates and convince new users to use Tor which ends up cluttering the page. Not having updates and keeping it simple on the introductory page is a common aesthetic on modern product websites <https://imgur.com/a/YWFZK>.
An alternative to “User Stories” could be a bunch of quotes from users such as Molly Crabapple which you guys have done wonderfully on Twitter <https://twitter.com/torproject/status/674682349771190272>. I think this allows people to have more of an emotional connection with Tor. We could probably even go as far as merging both “Use Stories” and the “Why” sections into one section <https://imgur.com/7DoQ2Xm> if we wanted to simplify the website even further.
- *Explaining why donations matter.* Right now the donate button is just … well ... a button. Explaining why people should donate to Tor is also important. Seeing something like this <https://imgur.com/bklC9DM> from Brain Pickings shows you that it’s easy to donate, and that your money is worth a lot when it comes to helping out. The emotion factor of that sidebar vs a button that says “donate” is huge.
Now this is just the main page, and there’s definitely a lot of work to be done as witnessed by the redesign work in other companies <http://codepen.seesparkbox.com/>! I know that there are some excited people in Tor as well, and I’d like to help out if that’s possible. A little about me: I’m Jag Talon, and I work for DuckDuckGo making some front-end stuffs <https://medium.com/@juantalon/building-the-developer-pages-consistent-styling-1b91a27c5612#.5sfv8bjks>. I have the experience that I think would help in a redesign like this, and I have some free time to do it as well.
I think a good first step would be to have the core Tor people to sketch out their ideas and for them to say what would make this redesign a success so that we have an idea on what things the design should prioritize on. What do you think?
- Jag Talon
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Hi, Isabela! Thanks for the response--I heard that the crowdfunding went well. Congrats! I'm excited about the meeting next week. I hope I can contribute even just a little bit. :) -- Jag Talon Sent with Airmail
Alright! I took a look at Doodle and I think Friday February 12 at Noon PST time can be a good slot for our meeting. Please put that down on your calendars, we will be meeting at #tor-project channel on IRC. We should do introductions and talk about the first set of tasks I created, and if folks has any suggestions of other tasks we should be doing to get started with this project please bring them as well. Project: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign Main ticket: #18243: Set of tasks: 1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g. dev.torproject.org) etc. 2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different approaches before we decide which one we will do 3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort and how they can help. Website review process: As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a review process, which we hope to scale to include localization review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute' part of the wiki: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our UX team as well. Cheers, Isabela
Thank you, Isabela! -- Jag Talon Sent with Airmail On February 8, 2016 at 11:35:01 AM, isabela (isabela@torproject.org) wrote: Alright! I took a look at Doodle and I think Friday February 12 at Noon PST time can be a good slot for our meeting. Please put that down on your calendars, we will be meeting at #tor-project channel on IRC. We should do introductions and talk about the first set of tasks I created, and if folks has any suggestions of other tasks we should be doing to get started with this project please bring them as well. Project: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign Main ticket: #18243: Set of tasks: 1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g. dev.torproject.org) etc. 2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different approaches before we decide which one we will do 3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort and how they can help. Website review process: As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a review process, which we hope to scale to include localization review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute' part of the wiki: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our UX team as well. Cheers, Isabela ________________________________________________________________________ Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team
Hello everyone, just a reminder that this is happening tomorrow! Cheers, Isabela On 02/08/2016 09:57 AM, Jag Talon wrote:
Thank you, Isabela!
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On February 8, 2016 at 11:35:01 AM, isabela (isabela@torproject.org <mailto:isabela@torproject.org>) wrote:
Alright!
I took a look at Doodle and I think Friday February 12 at Noon PST time can be a good slot for our meeting.
Please put that down on your calendars, we will be meeting at #tor-project channel on IRC.
We should do introductions and talk about the first set of tasks I created, and if folks has any suggestions of other tasks we should be doing to get started with this project please bring them as well.
Project: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign
Main ticket: #18243:
Set of tasks: 1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g. dev.torproject.org) etc. 2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different approaches before we decide which one we will do 3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort and how they can help.
Website review process:
As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a review process, which we hope to scale to include localization review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute' part of the wiki: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute
We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our UX team as well.
Cheers, Isabela ________________________________________________________________________ Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list
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