Hello tor relay operators, I'm thinking about creating another tor middle relay, but i'm not sure if this is still a good contribution to the tor network. When i'm looking at some of the relay stats out there, there are so many middle relays, which getting almost no traffic. If i purchase a server, i want to make sure the money i will spend every month will make a difference. I know, an exit node may be the better option and those will get a lot of traffic, but i'm not very happy with the consequences which i may face. It's also very difficult to find a provider, which is cool with an exit node. Whats your opinion?
On 01/17/2017 03:59 PM, Ortez wrote:
Hello tor relay operators, I'm thinking about creating another tor middle relay, but i'm not sure if this is still a good contribution to the tor network. When i'm looking at some of the relay stats out there, there are so many middle relays, which getting almost no traffic. If i purchase a server, i want to make sure the money i will spend every month will make a difference. I know, an exit node may be the better option and those will get a lot of traffic, but i'm not very happy with the consequences which i may face. It's also very difficult to find a provider, which is cool with an exit node. Whats your opinion?
In that case, have you looked at setting up a bridge relay, helping people who can't connect to the Tor network directly?
Not right now. I know bridges are needed for users in countries like china and so on, but are they used much?
On 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Peter Ludikovsky <'peter@ludikovsky.name'> wrote: On 01/17/2017 03:59 PM, Ortez wrote:
Hello tor relay operators, I'm thinking about creating another tor middle relay, but i'm not sure if this is still a good contribution to the tor network. When i'm looking at some of the relay stats out there, there are so many middle relays, which getting almost no traffic. If i purchase a server, i want to make sure the money i will spend every month will make a difference. I know, an exit node may be the better option and those will get a lot of traffic, but i'm not very happy with the consequences which i may face. It's also very difficult to find a provider, which is cool with an exit node. Whats your opinion?
In that case, have you looked at setting up a bridge relay, helping people who can't connect to the Tor network directly?
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Hi Ortez,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:32:44AM -0500, Ortez wrote:
Not right now. I know bridges are needed for users in countries like china and so on, but are they used much?
Yes. A bridge will utilize your server's bandwidth just as nicely as an exit relay would. Someone recently posted impressive diagrams to illustrate this, but I cannot find them now. In addition, please try to install a pluggable transport such as obfs4 to make your bridge more censorship-resistant!
Thanks for asking! C:
I thinking about a bridge too. But which port is not censored in China? I have read an article about the firewall of China. They doing DPI and filtering all encrypted traffic. Obfsproxy should be a good choice. A short test give me some experience for tor connections, but more traffic inside as outside (asymmetric). I'm not sure that will work right.
A middle node need some days to get some traffic. An exit node is at full power in some hours. The guard flag for the middle nodes came after 2 weeks, I think.
Can someone give me a proposal for a bridge port that is usefull for censored countries?
Olaf
On 17.01.2017 17:29, Christian Pietsch wrote:
Hi Ortez,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:32:44AM -0500, Ortez wrote:
Not right now. I know bridges are needed for users in countries like china and so on, but are they used much?
Yes. A bridge will utilize your server's bandwidth just as nicely as an exit relay would. Someone recently posted impressive diagrams to illustrate this, but I cannot find them now. In addition, please try to install a pluggable transport such as obfs4 to make your bridge more censorship-resistant!
Thanks for asking! C:
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Note that a bridge is not guaranteed to be used. I've seen plenty of bridges, both plain-vanilla and obfs4, with or without IPv6, regardless of geography, that use only a few megabytes of bandwidth per month. Everything seems good in terms of connectivity yet there is basically just housekeeping traffic. Some bridges just seem to go ignored as entry points into the Tor network.
Not trying to dissuade you from running a bridge, just pointing out that that the bandwidth you want to donate to the Tor network may not be utilized. In contrast, I haven't seen a mature middle node that went unused.
On 01/17/2017 02:59 PM, Olaf Grimm wrote:
I thinking about a bridge too. But which port is not censored in China? I have read an article about the firewall of China. They doing DPI and filtering all encrypted traffic. Obfsproxy should be a good choice. A short test give me some experience for tor connections, but more traffic inside as outside (asymmetric). I'm not sure that will work right.
A middle node need some days to get some traffic. An exit node is at full power in some hours. The guard flag for the middle nodes came after 2 weeks, I think.
Can someone give me a proposal for a bridge port that is usefull for censored countries?
Olaf
On 17.01.2017 17:29, Christian Pietsch wrote:
Hi Ortez,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:32:44AM -0500, Ortez wrote:
Not right now. I know bridges are needed for users in countries like china and so on, but are they used much?
Yes. A bridge will utilize your server's bandwidth just as nicely as an exit relay would. Someone recently posted impressive diagrams to illustrate this, but I cannot find them now. In addition, please try to install a pluggable transport such as obfs4 to make your bridge more censorship-resistant!
Thanks for asking! C:
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On 18 Jan 2017, at 09:14, Steve Snyder swsnyder@snydernet.net wrote:
Note that a bridge is not guaranteed to be used. I've seen plenty of bridges, both plain-vanilla and obfs4, with or without IPv6, regardless of geography, that use only a few megabytes of bandwidth per month. Everything seems good in terms of connectivity yet there is basically just housekeeping traffic. Some bridges just seem to go ignored as entry points into the Tor network.
Not trying to dissuade you from running a bridge, just pointing out that that the bandwidth you want to donate to the Tor network may not be utilized. In contrast, I haven't seen a mature middle node that went unused.
Bridges are allocated to users at random (and some are randomly chosen to be reserved). So they might not be used. You can set up 2 bridges per IPv4 address, and you can give them an IPv6 address, too.
In contrast, all Tor clients see all tor relays, and choose paths at random. So all tor relays are used according to their bandwidth weights.
Tim
On 01/17/2017 02:59 PM, Olaf Grimm wrote:
I thinking about a bridge too. But which port is not censored in China? I have read an article about the firewall of China. They doing DPI and filtering all encrypted traffic. Obfsproxy should be a good choice. A short test give me some experience for tor connections, but more traffic inside as outside (asymmetric). I'm not sure that will work right.
A middle node need some days to get some traffic. An exit node is at full power in some hours. The guard flag for the middle nodes came after 2 weeks, I think.
Can someone give me a proposal for a bridge port that is usefull for censored countries?
Olaf
On 17.01.2017 17:29, Christian Pietsch wrote:
Hi Ortez,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:32:44AM -0500, Ortez wrote:
Not right now. I know bridges are needed for users in countries like china and so on, but are they used much?
Yes. A bridge will utilize your server's bandwidth just as nicely as an exit relay would. Someone recently posted impressive diagrams to illustrate this, but I cannot find them now. In addition, please try to install a pluggable transport such as obfs4 to make your bridge more censorship-resistant!
Thanks for asking! C:
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When seeing stats, a middle guard relay in a datacenter looks like ok ;) Some months are needed to have a good consensus score, then some Terabits will be routed every months ;) Here is a graph since the beginning on this relay...
yearly graph
Not trying to dissuade you from running a bridge, just pointing out that that the bandwidth you want to donate to the Tor network may not be utilized. In contrast, I haven't seen a mature middle node that went unused.
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