Hey all, Got a question here, I'm running an exit node from a home network that uses play station network, Facebook and a few other service. So my issue/question is why are these service getting blocked on my end? 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See tips 1 and 2 here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node "Get a separate IP for the node. Do not route your own traffic via this IP." "In general, running an exit node from your home Internet connection is not recommended." -- To answer your specific questions:
why are these service getting blocked on my end?
The IP addresses of all nodes on the Tor network are publicly available, and they tend to wind up in various blacklists.
wouldn't that mean that people using my exit node would be blocked to those websites as well?
Yes, unfortunately that's a real problem for Tor users. Sometimes we get captcha'd and other times we just get blocked.
An exit node at home is funny. Last year I've got visitors from law enforcement early in the morning. Now I have some new "friends" from the police department. Be warned! They take a look on bad movies and assume you are the one... Now I have my servers outside and at home a middle node only. Olaf On 16.01.2017 06:29, anondroid wrote:
See tips 1 and 2 here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node
"Get a separate IP for the node. Do not route your own traffic via this IP."
"In general, running an exit node from your home Internet connection is not recommended."
--
To answer your specific questions:
why are these service getting blocked on my end?
The IP addresses of all nodes on the Tor network are publicly available, and they tend to wind up in various blacklists.
wouldn't that mean that people using my exit node would be blocked to those websites as well?
Yes, unfortunately that's a real problem for Tor users. Sometimes we get captcha'd and other times we just get blocked.
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Olaf Grimm:
An exit node at home is funny. Last year I've got visitors from law enforcement early in the morning. Now I have some new "friends" from the police department.
Be warned! They take a look on bad movies and assume you are the one...
Now I have my servers outside and at home a middle node only.
:) Yes... in the 'old days' marketing departments thought that Tor exit IPs appearing in their webalizer or awstats was just some exotic visitors. Then more savvy admins at large firms realized they could block Tor exit IPs... then later all public Tor IPs. The delusion that blocking all Tor traffic somehow mitigates not patching software or maintaining a sane secure infrastructure seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd give a +1 to the standard that you don't run a public Tor IP from a residence... in one case several years ago, a Tor advocacy-geared presentation I gave meant that a user or two lost access to their online banking account. Oh, details, details. OTOH, running a bridge from home should be a principle if you have the bandwidth and hardware. To run a bridge from home should be strongly encouraged for anyone capable of doing so. And it doesn't take a lot of effort to run a few more bridges with trusted friends and families. Residential bridges can play a critical role in diversifying the Tor network, and can mitigate much of the censorship we're seeing today. g -- 5F77 765E 40D6 5340 A0F5 3401 4997 FF11 A86F 44E2
On 01/16/2017 11:49 AM, Olaf Grimm wrote:
An exit node at home is funny. Last year I've got visitors from law enforcement early in the morning. Now I have some new "friends" from the police department.
Be warned! They take a look on bad movies and assume you are the one...
Now I have my servers outside and at home a middle node only.
This is best practice. And even under a proposed corporate aegis (LLC, nonprofit hackerspace, etc.) CP always comes up and the pearl clutching commences. FBI raids, PR, yadda-yadda-yadda... You have no ethical or criminal liability for criminal usage of the network, but that said you really need to be loaded for bear to run an exit node.
On 01/16/2017 11:08 PM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
On 01/16/2017 11:49 AM, Olaf Grimm wrote:
An exit node at home is funny. Last year I've got visitors from law enforcement early in the morning. Now I have some new "friends" from the police department.
Be warned! They take a look on bad movies and assume you are the one...
Now I have my servers outside and at home a middle node only.
This is best practice. And even under a proposed corporate aegis (LLC, nonprofit hackerspace, etc.) CP always comes up and the pearl clutching commences. FBI raids, PR, yadda-yadda-yadda... You have no ethical or criminal liability for criminal usage of the network, but that said you really need to be loaded for bear to run an exit node.
Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who we are and why privacy is important for everybody. (Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build relationships.) This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard to sustainability, and we run out of land... The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing community. For previous versions of this thread, see https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-November/003240.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-May/037991.html Thanks! --Roger
I agree with you here. This is a mission, a partnership amongst all perticipants, even negotiated and discovered as such, to good ends and via good means, amongst similar, or amenable participants, with backbone, and with high principles. Yes toppost, shootme. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who we are and why privacy is important for everybody.
(Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build relationships.)
This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard to sustainability, and we run out of land...
The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing community.
For previous versions of this thread, see https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-November/003240.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-May/037991.html
Thanks! --Roger
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On 01/17/2017 12:00 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who we are and why privacy is important for everybody.
(Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build relationships.)
I'm happy to step up, and build relationships. To deal with complaints. But I do that anonymously.
This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard to sustainability, and we run out of land...
Well, Tor is running out of land, based on my reading of this list, over the past few years. Fewer and fewer providers allow exits :( But hey, I defer to your experience.
The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing community.
Maybe so. And yet, that's definitely not the approach taken re China etc. I don't deny the distinction between China etc and ISPs generally. But that could change. Time will tell.
For previous versions of this thread, see https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-November/003240.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-May/037991.html
Thanks! --Roger
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On 01/17/2017 12:00 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who we are and why privacy is important for everybody.
I concur. Curiously, there has to be a public face and public venues for anonymity as a service.
(Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build relationships.)
A local makerspace was already planning on setting up a separate hackerspace as is own legal entity for purposes of compartmentalization when I introduced them to Tor.
This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard to sustainability, and we run out of land...
The trick, as I understand it, is to preclude the ISP from any legal exposure or overhead whatsoever.
The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing community.
I couldn't agree more.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Kenneth Freeman <kencf0618@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/16/2017 11:49 AM, Olaf Grimm wrote:
Now I have my servers outside and at home a middle node only. This is best practice. And even under a proposed corporate aegis (LLC, you really need to be loaded for bear to run an exit node.
This is not so much a thing, as you really need to have the right message for that which is worth supporting. That freedom to make and support speech and debate ideas is paramount. And one should be educated and cognizant to dispel any such preposterous things that may be spoken. Without that you are doomed to the arbitrary and authoritarian concourse of history.
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