Less Traffic on my relay
Hi All, I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less. Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated.. Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11
Hi, There is a very good article regarding new relays. Could answer a lot of your questions: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/lifecycle-of-a-new-relay Hi All, I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less. Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated.. Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11 ---------- _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Hi, and welcome ;) With a very tiny bandwidth dedicated to your Tor Relay, the consensus weight of your relay will be very tiny (so may be nobody will be using it, because Tor Users have too great chances to take another bigger one). If, moreover, the relay has a lot of big down times (hours), it's disappearing of the consensus list everytime, making nobody can find it for several hours after you start it again. The Tor Network is promoting more and more very fast relays in order to make the network faster for users (fast relays : like 10MB/s) by giving big consensus weight bonus for big machines, and that's making tiny relays less and less used on the network. But, there is a hope : With a DSL connexion (100KB/s Upload max) you can get some usefull traffic (some gigabytes per week) by setting a hidden bridge. If the IP Address of the connexion is changing time to time, it's really good for a hidden bridge. For me, it's on a 24/7 Raspberry Pi (in order to be silent and cheap powered ! Very low power consumption) Good luck ! ----- Mail original ----- De: "Tor Zilla" <torzilla11@hotmail.com> À: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Envoyé: Mardi 7 Octobre 2014 13:20:18 Objet: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay Hi All, I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less. Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated.. Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11 _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Hi Julien, Thanks a lot for your reply. I got your point now.. You are right. I am using a DSL connection and my IP keeps changing often.... What i am going to do is setup a bridge instead of a non exit relay and watch how much i can contribute to the community. If all goes well i will buy a Raspberry Pi and setup that up permanently as that's a cost effective way ;) I am also thinking of making a stand alone Pi Onion Router so that all traffic is anonymous but that's a small project which i will work on once this bridge thing works.. Thanks again, Torzilla11 ===============================================================================
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:31:54 +0200 From: julien.robin28@free.fr To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi, and welcome ;)
With a very tiny bandwidth dedicated to your Tor Relay, the consensus weight of your relay will be very tiny (so may be nobody will be using it, because Tor Users have too great chances to take another bigger one).
If, moreover, the relay has a lot of big down times (hours), it's disappearing of the consensus list everytime, making nobody can find it for several hours after you start it again.
The Tor Network is promoting more and more very fast relays in order to make the network faster for users (fast relays : like 10MB/s) by giving big consensus weight bonus for big machines, and that's making tiny relays less and less used on the network.
But, there is a hope :
With a DSL connexion (100KB/s Upload max) you can get some usefull traffic (some gigabytes per week) by setting a hidden bridge. If the IP Address of the connexion is changing time to time, it's really good for a hidden bridge.
For me, it's on a 24/7 Raspberry Pi (in order to be silent and cheap powered ! Very low power consumption)
Good luck !
----- Mail original ----- De: "Tor Zilla" <torzilla11@hotmail.com> À: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Envoyé: Mardi 7 Octobre 2014 13:20:18 Objet: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi All,
I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less.
Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB
My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated..
Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11
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Thanks for running a relay Torzilla. If you do decide to get a Raspberry Pi, the step-by-step middle relay setup tutorial here might be useful: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bf_D_j1O-9ckTS9DY8ngIdiFwHta6Q5Uj_5dvOia... If you want to set it up as a hidden bridge, you'll need to slightly modify things, but it should help you get started at least :) Good luck! Chris On 7 Oct 2014 14:57, "Tor Zilla" <torzilla11@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Julien,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
I got your point now..
You are right. I am using a DSL connection and my IP keeps changing often....
What i am going to do is setup a bridge instead of a non exit relay and watch how much i can contribute to the community.
If all goes well i will buy a Raspberry Pi and setup that up permanently as that's a cost effective way ;)
I am also thinking of making a stand alone Pi Onion Router so that all traffic is anonymous but that's a small project which i will work on once this bridge thing works..
Thanks again, Torzilla11
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:31:54 +0200 From: julien.robin28@free.fr To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi, and welcome ;)
With a very tiny bandwidth dedicated to your Tor Relay, the consensus weight of your relay will be very tiny (so may be nobody will be using it, because Tor Users have too great chances to take another bigger one).
If, moreover, the relay has a lot of big down times (hours), it's disappearing of the consensus list everytime, making nobody can find it for several hours after you start it again.
The Tor Network is promoting more and more very fast relays in order to make the network faster for users (fast relays : like 10MB/s) by giving big consensus weight bonus for big machines, and that's making tiny relays less and less used on the network.
But, there is a hope :
With a DSL connexion (100KB/s Upload max) you can get some usefull traffic (some gigabytes per week) by setting a hidden bridge. If the IP Address of the connexion is changing time to time, it's really good for a hidden bridge.
For me, it's on a 24/7 Raspberry Pi (in order to be silent and cheap powered ! Very low power consumption)
Good luck !
----- Mail original ----- De: "Tor Zilla" <torzilla11@hotmail.com> À: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Envoyé: Mardi 7 Octobre 2014 13:20:18 Objet: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi All,
I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less.
Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB
My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated..
Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11
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Hi All, I just setup a bridge and it looks like i have a bug as per the message log.. Failed to open GEOIP file C:\Users\*ABCD*\AppData\Roaming\tor\geoip. We've been configured to see which countries can access us as a bridge, and we need GEOIP information to tell which countries clients are in. I searched the files and got them in C:\Users\*ABCD*\AppData\Local\Tor Do i copy paste these files into the previous location or there is a different fix?? This is a Windows 7 machine. Also it looks like my Orport is reachable with success.. So does this bug affect my bridge in any way? Thanks, Torzilla11 From: torzilla11@hotmail.com To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:52:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay Hi Julien, Thanks a lot for your reply. I got your point now.. You are right. I am using a DSL connection and my IP keeps changing often.... What i am going to do is setup a bridge instead of a non exit relay and watch how much i can contribute to the community. If all goes well i will buy a Raspberry Pi and setup that up permanently as that's a cost effective way ;) I am also thinking of making a stand alone Pi Onion Router so that all traffic is anonymous but that's a small project which i will work on once this bridge thing works.. Thanks again, Torzilla11 ===============================================================================
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:31:54 +0200 From: julien.robin28@free.fr To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi, and welcome ;)
With a very tiny bandwidth dedicated to your Tor Relay, the consensus weight of your relay will be very tiny (so may be nobody will be using it, because Tor Users have too great chances to take another bigger one).
If, moreover, the relay has a lot of big down times (hours), it's disappearing of the consensus list everytime, making nobody can find it for several hours after you start it again.
The Tor Network is promoting more and more very fast relays in order to make the network faster for users (fast relays : like 10MB/s) by giving big consensus weight bonus for big machines, and that's making tiny relays less and less used on the network.
But, there is a hope :
With a DSL connexion (100KB/s Upload max) you can get some usefull traffic (some gigabytes per week) by setting a hidden bridge. If the IP Address of the connexion is changing time to time, it's really good for a hidden bridge.
For me, it's on a 24/7 Raspberry Pi (in order to be silent and cheap powered ! Very low power consumption)
Good luck !
----- Mail original ----- De: "Tor Zilla" <torzilla11@hotmail.com> À: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Envoyé: Mardi 7 Octobre 2014 13:20:18 Objet: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Hi All,
I am a noob to the Tor community and its fun serving Tor as one of the relays. I am planning to setup multiple relays however before i jump into anything further i setup one machine as a non exit relay to test how much traffic i can route.. Not to forget i also read the article on torproject.org which mentions the life cycle of a relay.. Now its the 4th day of my relay and the traffic is almost nothing but as per the article i must see an increase in traffic on day 4.. The machine is ON for almost an hour now and the traffic is too less.
Received : 3.62MB Sent : 1.6MB
My dedicated bandwidth to Tor is 60 KB/s.. Do i need to keep the machine on 24/7 because as of now its just ON for 3 to 4 hours.. Assuming that the traffic is low on the entire Tor network is this kind of traffic normal or something is wrong on my side..? Your help will me much appreciated..
Thanks and Regards, Torzilla11
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Tor Zilla wrote:
You are right. I am using a DSL connection and my IP keeps changing often....
What i am going to do is setup a bridge instead of a non exit relay and watch how much i can contribute to the community.
Sorry for jumping in---I'm seen this a few times and wonder whether it's really a good approach. AFAIK, bridge addresses are often distributed through less reliable and higher-latency means, since the point is that clients can't just look them up via directory servers. If hosting bridges on unstable IP addresses is frequent, I'd expect users who _need_ them to start experiencing "obtain bridge address via highly rate-limited and possibly dangerous mechanism; it becomes unusable within a short period of time; no good way to know where it went because Tor access is already gone; go back into the breach again and possibly be denied further addresses or risk getting caught". So I'd think the effective stability requirements for a bridge, especially for IP address stability (maybe not for other kinds of stability?), are higher than for an "ordinary" relay for it to be a net positive. I see some posts on the Tor blog from a few years ago about trying to figure out how to compensate for this, and I saw some tickets about getting metrics about bridge address stability, but I haven't seen anything about good solutions yet. Is this logic sound, or have I missed something important? ---> Drake Wilson
Hi Drake, What you are saying makes lotta sense but what i see is a mix of information.. Lot of folks say that bridges work well in case the IP keeps changing but your point is how the user finds out whats the new IP for my bridge.. The only way i can think of is if its set to auto update the database but still the bridge users will have to manually download the directory every time which shows low availability of bridges. But definitely we need some more info on this issue. Also i guess we might wanna develop a tool where user can test whats the best option available for their tor relays(Non exit, bridge or exit relay) so that simply the user can run a test online and see what all options they have. I will be happy to work with folks in making something like this in any way i can. But again that's just what i think Thanks, Torzilla -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:10:46 -0500 From: drake@dasyatidae.net To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Less Traffic on my relay
Tor Zilla wrote:
You are right. I am using a DSL connection and my IP keeps changing often....
What i am going to do is setup a bridge instead of a non exit relay and watch how much i can contribute to the community.
Sorry for jumping in---I'm seen this a few times and wonder whether it's really a good approach. AFAIK, bridge addresses are often distributed through less reliable and higher-latency means, since the point is that clients can't just look them up via directory servers. If hosting bridges on unstable IP addresses is frequent, I'd expect users who _need_ them to start experiencing "obtain bridge address via highly rate-limited and possibly dangerous mechanism; it becomes unusable within a short period of time; no good way to know where it went because Tor access is already gone; go back into the breach again and possibly be denied further addresses or risk getting caught".
So I'd think the effective stability requirements for a bridge, especially for IP address stability (maybe not for other kinds of stability?), are higher than for an "ordinary" relay for it to be a net positive.
I see some posts on the Tor blog from a few years ago about trying to figure out how to compensate for this, and I saw some tickets about getting metrics about bridge address stability, but I haven't seen anything about good solutions yet. Is this logic sound, or have I missed something important?
---> Drake Wilson
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