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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
First, I am blind and I am not to read the "How to" in the Get started page of cloud.torproject.org, so I though all was configured, and had a surprise with the security group I have to define by myself. :) So my question is: would it be possible to make the step by step instructions accessible please ? Less pictures or more text in all cases, having text doesn't require to remove images.
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image. Else, how long in my relay will be listed? And which reasons could make my relay unavailable on atlas? I opened all four ports I found on the get started page but half an hour latter, it is still not listed.
Thanks, - -- Patrick ZAJDA Skype : gansta93
Hi Patrick!
You did indeed setup a bridge, so it is expected that it won't be listed in atlas. This is also the expected behaviour of the Tor Cloud image as the idea is to leverage Amazon EC2 to provide an easy way for people to create bridges.
If you want to run a relay, it is from my understanding unwise to do so on Amazon EC2, as they are very expensive and there are various other possibilities that are a lot cheaper.
Nils
2014/1/15 Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
First, I am blind and I am not to read the "How to" in the Get started page of cloud.torproject.org, so I though all was configured, and had a surprise with the security group I have to define by myself. :) So my question is: would it be possible to make the step by step instructions accessible please ? Less pictures or more text in all cases, having text doesn't require to remove images.
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image. Else, how long in my relay will be listed? And which reasons could make my relay unavailable on atlas? I opened all four ports I found on the get started page but half an hour latter, it is still not listed.
Thanks,
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On 15 Jan 2014, at 14:16, Nils Kunze kunze.nils@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Patrick!
You did indeed setup a bridge, so it is expected that it won't be listed in atlas. This is also the expected behaviour of the Tor Cloud image as the idea is to leverage Amazon EC2 to provide an easy way for people to create bridges.
If you want to run a relay, it is from my understanding unwise to do so on Amazon EC2, as they are very expensive and there are various other possibilities that are a lot cheaper.
Nils
2014/1/15 Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
First, I am blind and I am not to read the "How to" in the Get started page of cloud.torproject.org, so I though all was configured, and had a surprise with the security group I have to define by myself. :) So my question is: would it be possible to make the step by step instructions accessible please ? Less pictures or more text in all cases, having text doesn't require to remove images.
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image. Else, how long in my relay will be listed? And which reasons could make my relay unavailable on atlas? I opened all four ports I found on the get started page but half an hour latter, it is still not listed.
Thanks,
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
Hi all,
Hi,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
First, I am blind and I am not to read the "How to" in the Get started page of cloud.torproject.org, so I though all was configured, and had a surprise with the security group I have to define by myself. :) So my question is: would it be possible to make the step by step instructions accessible please ? Less pictures or more text in all cases, having text doesn't require to remove images.
Thanks, I have added this to our Trac ticket about updating the website: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8768)
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something?
From https://www.torproject.org/docs/bridges: Bridge relays (or
"bridges" for short) are Tor relays that aren't listed in the main Tor directory (as opposed to relays). Since there is no complete public list of them, even if an ISP is filtering connections to all the known Tor relays, they probably won't be able to block all the bridges.
The difference between a Tor Cloud "obfsproxy bridge" and a "private bridge" is whether or not the bridge reports its address (IP address and port) to the Tor Project. If it does, the address will automatically be distributed to users who need it (through the help desk, bridges.torproject.org, etc). If it does not, it's up to you to distribute the address.
If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image. Else, how long in my relay will be listed?
Only relays are listed on atlas.torproject.org. While it is possible to run a relay on AWS, it's not recommended for the simple reason that a useful relay will use too much bandwidth and cost a lot of money (i.e. there are cheaper hosting alternatives if you wish to run a relay).
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Hi Runa,
Le 15/01/2014 15:20, Runa A. Sandvik a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
Hi all,
Hi,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
First, I am blind and I am not to read the "How to" in the Get started page of cloud.torproject.org, so I though all was configured, and had a surprise with the security group I have to define by myself. :) So my question is: would it be possible to make the step by step instructions accessible please ? Less pictures or more text in all cases, having text doesn't require to remove images.
Thanks, I have added this to our Trac ticket about updating the website: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8768)
Thanks you!
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something?
From https://www.torproject.org/docs/bridges: Bridge relays (or "bridges" for short) are Tor relays that aren't listed in the main Tor directory (as opposed to relays). Since there is no complete public list of them, even if an ISP is filtering connections to all the known Tor relays, they probably won't be able to block all the bridges.
The difference between a Tor Cloud "obfsproxy bridge" and a "private bridge" is whether or not the bridge reports its address (IP address and port) to the Tor Project. If it does, the address will automatically be distributed to users who need it (through the help desk, bridges.torproject.org, etc). If it does not, it's up to you to distribute the address.
OK, so to be sure I understand: with an obfsproxy one, relay address and port are listed but not in atlas.torproject.org?
If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image. Else, how long in my relay will be listed?
Only relays are listed on atlas.torproject.org. While it is possible to run a relay on AWS, it's not recommended for the simple reason that a useful relay will use too much bandwidth and cost a lot of money (i.e. there are cheaper hosting alternatives if you wish to run a relay).
OK, I understand now and won't change anything. :)
Thanks, - -- Patrick ZAJDA Skype : gansta93
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
Le 15/01/2014 15:20, Runa A. Sandvik a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something?
From https://www.torproject.org/docs/bridges: Bridge relays (or "bridges" for short) are Tor relays that aren't listed in the main Tor directory (as opposed to relays). Since there is no complete public list of them, even if an ISP is filtering connections to all the known Tor relays, they probably won't be able to block all the bridges.
The difference between a Tor Cloud "obfsproxy bridge" and a "private bridge" is whether or not the bridge reports its address (IP address and port) to the Tor Project. If it does, the address will automatically be distributed to users who need it (through the help desk, bridges.torproject.org, etc). If it does not, it's up to you to distribute the address.
OK, so to be sure I understand: with an obfsproxy one, relay address and port are listed but not in atlas.torproject.org?
Yes, that's correct. The address will be distributed to users automatically. Thanks for running a bridge!
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
[...]
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image.
If your bridge is set to publish its descriptor (should be default), you might be able to search for it using the new Globe tool: https://globe.torproject.org/
Regards Kostas
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Kostas Jakeliunas kostas@jakeliunas.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
[...]
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image.
If your bridge is set to publish its descriptor (should be default), you might be able to search for it using the new Globe tool: https://globe.torproject.org/
Good point! I forgot about Globe. It seems https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=ec2 only lists 43 currently running bridges, while https://metrics.torproject.org/cloudbridges.png lists more than 300. Any idea why the numbers are so different?
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Runa A. Sandvik runa.sandvik@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Kostas Jakeliunas kostas@jakeliunas.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
[...]
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image.
If your bridge is set to publish its descriptor (should be default), you might be able to search for it using the new Globe tool: https://globe.torproject.org/
Good point! I forgot about Globe. It seems https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=ec2 only lists 43 currently running bridges, while https://metrics.torproject.org/cloudbridges.png lists more than 300. Any idea why the numbers are so different?
I haven't checked, but can't the cloud bridge operator change the nickname (just as any other operator can)?
See e.g. https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=cloud (non-zero count of bridges there, too. Not sure if related, though.)
On 1/15/14 4:30 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Kostas Jakeliunas kostas@jakeliunas.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
[...]
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image.
If your bridge is set to publish its descriptor (should be default), you might be able to search for it using the new Globe tool: https://globe.torproject.org/
Good point! I forgot about Globe. It seems https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=ec2 only lists 43 currently running bridges, while https://metrics.torproject.org/cloudbridges.png lists more than 300. Any idea why the numbers are so different?
Ah, that's because Globe limits results to 50 hits, in your case 7 relays and 43 bridges. It should tell users that only the first 50 hits are displayed. Opening a ticket.
All the best, Karsten
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Karsten Loesing karsten@torproject.org wrote:
On 1/15/14 4:30 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Kostas Jakeliunas kostas@jakeliunas.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Patrick ZAJDA patrick@zajda.fr wrote:
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Hi all,
I have set up an Amazon EC2 instance to run a Tor Relay, I chose Obfsproxy Bridges.
[...]
The second point is: I looked at the configuration, and noticed bridge is set to 1. I though it made the tor relay private, do I have miss-understood something? If I didn't miss-understand, that explains why it is still not listed on atlas.torproject.org, and there is a problem with the provided EC2 image.
If your bridge is set to publish its descriptor (should be default), you might be able to search for it using the new Globe tool: https://globe.torproject.org/
Good point! I forgot about Globe. It seems https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=ec2 only lists 43 currently running bridges, while https://metrics.torproject.org/cloudbridges.png lists more than 300. Any idea why the numbers are so different?
Ah, that's because Globe limits results to 50 hits, in your case 7 relays and 43 bridges. It should tell users that only the first 50 hits are displayed. Opening a ticket.
That makes sense. Thanks!
Has that illustrated for the developers that determined, motivated people can be confused by the terms?
Bridge, exit and relay are clear terms but not when interchanged with bridge relay, exit node, exit relay, obfsproxy and others.
Robert
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