Tor and Diplomatic Immunity
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
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On 5 Sep 2016, at 11:31, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
As wikileaks discovered, they definitely use Tor clients...
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On 09/04/2016 07:31 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
Whatever their budgetary constraints, the diplomatic immunity avoids a safe space for Tor nodes for embassies and consulates. I don't know of any who run any, though.
On 09/04/2016 07:31 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
Whatever their budgetary considerations, embassies and consulates afford diplomatic safe spaces for Tor nodes.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 11:24, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
On 09/04/2016 07:31 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have been done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
Whatever their budgetary considerations, embassies and consulates afford diplomatic safe spaces for Tor nodes.
At best, they provide a *legal* safe space, but it would only take an embassy having their local internet access terminated once or twice before they'd re-consider, absent any agreements which block service providers from doing such. I'd be surprise if such exist, although, it's certainly possible. Assuming we're talking exit nodes, anyway.
Couldn't they run a regular relay node instead? This would help them blend in their traffic so to speak while also not having to put themselves at risk of being cut off. On 6 September 2016 04:47:41 BST, Dave Warren <davew@hireahit.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 11:24, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
On 09/04/2016 07:31 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/04/2016 09:11 AM, Kenneth Freeman wrote:
Do embassies and consulates run Tor nodes? AFAIK no studies have
been
done on this, but diplomatic immunity and Tor would seem to be a match made in Heaven.
Well, they need uplinks, right? I doubt that diplomatic immunity forces ISPs to serve them. Private routing is possible, of course, but is probably too expensive for most.
Whatever their budgetary considerations, embassies and consulates afford diplomatic safe spaces for Tor nodes.
At best, they provide a *legal* safe space, but it would only take an embassy having their local internet access terminated once or twice before they'd re-consider, absent any agreements which block service providers from doing such. I'd be surprise if such exist, although, it's certainly possible.
Assuming we're talking exit nodes, anyway.
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The whole idea doesn't sit right with me. For one, I'm not sure I'd want any more Five Eyes entities running Exit nodes. Most embassies are already a haven for espionage activity. You'd pretty much have to assume they'd be sniffing the exit traffic. Also, with all the other priorities, I kinda doubt most embassies have any interest in the general work involved, not to mention the liability, of running an Exit.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Green Dream <greendream848@gmail.com> wrote:
For one, I'm not sure I'd want any more Five Eyes entities running Exit nodes. Most embassies are already a haven for espionage activity. You'd pretty much have to assume they'd be sniffing the exit traffic.
I doubt Five Eyes countries embassies would bother running tor since they have budgets to easily encrypt and funnel all their traffic back to their home countries. If anyone would be running tor nodes, I would imagine it would be countries w/ smaller budgets who would be looking for more cost effective ways to make their traffic hard to sniff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -ITG (ITechGeek) | ITG@ITechGeek.Com <https://itg.nu/> https://keybase.io/itechgeek | https://itg.nu/ Google Voice: +1-703-493-0128 / Twitter: ITechGeek / Facebook: http://fb.me/Jbwa.Net
On 2016-09-06 11:29, Green Dream wrote:
The whole idea doesn't sit right with me.
For one, I'm not sure I'd want any more Five Eyes entities running Exit nodes. Most embassies are already a haven for espionage activity. You'd pretty much have to assume they'd be sniffing the exit traffic.
All the more reason to add a bunch of unrelated and unimportant traffic like a Tor exit node. If you only shred your Top Secret documents, every piece of shredded paper is potentially a secret to an interested party, but if you mix in tons of unrelated material, it adds a whole ton of noise. For the same reason that libraries often stand up for our rights, I'd hope embassies would also consider using their resources and unique legal position to stand up for rights that "we" believe in. However, whether they do or not, is unknown to me.
On 09/07/2016 01:39 AM, Dave Warren wrote:
On 2016-09-06 11:29, Green Dream wrote:
The whole idea doesn't sit right with me.
For one, I'm not sure I'd want any more Five Eyes entities running Exit nodes. Most embassies are already a haven for espionage activity. You'd pretty much have to assume they'd be sniffing the exit traffic.
All the more reason to add a bunch of unrelated and unimportant traffic like a Tor exit node.
If you only shred your Top Secret documents, every piece of shredded paper is potentially a secret to an interested party, but if you mix in tons of unrelated material, it adds a whole ton of noise.
Which is exactly why the research arm of the U.S. Navy, which invented onion routing, didn't keep it to itself, but made it open source.
For the same reason that libraries often stand up for our rights, I'd hope embassies would also consider using their resources and unique legal position to stand up for rights that "we" believe in.
However, whether they do or not, is unknown to me.
This entire discussion has been a fascinating one. I've never even heard of a consulate or an embassy running a relay, much less an exit node. A case of the dog that did not bark in the night-time, perhaps?
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