Boy, now I am in trouble... I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum. I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay? --
On 11/05/2013 09:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
You could try Jitsi or Blink. They're not the same as Skype but they are freer and the sound is better. /Lars
Use Google Hangouts. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Lars Noodén <lars.nooden@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/05/2013 09:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
You could try Jitsi or Blink. They're not the same as Skype but they are freer and the sound is better.
/Lars
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I would recomend against google hangouts(even though its more widely used) because google isn't private On 11/5/2013 11:59 AM, Ryan Winner wrote:
Use Google Hangouts.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Lars Noodén <lars.nooden@gmail.com <mailto:lars.nooden@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 11/05/2013 09:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote: > Boy, now I am in trouble... > > I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf > starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum. > > I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there > anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
You could try Jitsi or Blink. They're not the same as Skype but they are freer and the sound is better.
/Lars
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:04:56 -0800, Zack Becker <zbeckr@gmail.com> wrote:
I would recomend against google hangouts(even though its more widely used) because google isn't private
I'll say! Quite rather the opposite of private in all senses! Recovering Google services addict, Gordon M.
On 11/5/2013 11:59 AM, Ryan Winner wrote:
Use Google Hangouts.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Lars Noodén <lars.nooden@gmail.com <mailto:lars.nooden@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 11/05/2013 09:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote: > Boy, now I am in trouble... > > I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf > starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum. > > I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there > anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
You could try Jitsi or Blink. They're not the same as Skype but they are freer and the sound is better.
/Lars
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On 2013-11-05 8:27 PM, Gordon Morehouse wrote:
Recovering Google services addict, Gordon M.
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If you want to continue using skype, you could invest in a VPN just to hide it from your ISP and make microshaft think you are coming from a different, non-tor related IP. Tom On 6 November 2013 15:12, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:59:11AM -1000, Ryan Winner wrote:
Use Google Hangouts.
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Linphone is a decent alternative too if you need video chat. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Lars Noodén <lars.nooden@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/05/2013 09:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
You could try Jitsi or Blink. They're not the same as Skype but they are freer and the sound is better.
/Lars
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http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony ? On 11/5/2013 2:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote:
... she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This would be an excellent time for me to suggest using Jitsi (https://jitsi.org), which is FOSS, cross platform and does encrypted voip and video. Biggest drawbacks are it's java based and doesn't support SMP or PSK OTR yet. - -Jason On 11/06/2013 11:38 PM, gq wrote:
http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony ?
On 11/5/2013 2:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten wrote:
... she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
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On Nov 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten <tor@janhendrik.eu> wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
As others mentioned, Jitsi is a great alternative, but to your question: If you want a happy gf, you'll need Skype, and the only sure fix is to convert to a non-exit. The Skype problems will magically disappear after a few days. Using a VPN *might* work, but Microsoft blocks access from many of those too. Complaining to Microsoft, especially if you're a paying Skype customer, might not help, but it can't hurt. Jon
On 11/9/2013 10:15 AM, Jon Gardner wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten <tor@janhendrik.eu> wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay?
As others mentioned, Jitsi is a great alternative, but to your question: If you want a happy gf, you'll need Skype, and the only sure fix is to convert to a non-exit. The Skype problems will magically disappear after a few days. Using a VPN *might* work, but Microsoft blocks access from many of those too.
Complaining to Microsoft, especially if you're a paying Skype customer, might not help, but it can't hurt.
Jon
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Converting to a non-exit relay doesn't always help. My non-exit IP address is blocked by several internet commerce websites, probably because it is still on the official Tor list. Some webmasters do not make any distinction between exit node versus non-exit node. All Tor relays are a threat to their website, as far as they are concerned. They are willing to lose the revenue from such unsavory customers as we must be. David
Dave, Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects to a web page. Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is blocked but whatever exit relay you may be connecting through. On 11/9/2013 11:15 PM, David Carlson wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:15 AM, Jon Gardner wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten <tor@janhendrik.eu> wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay? As others mentioned, Jitsi is a great alternative, but to your question: If you want a happy gf, you'll need Skype, and the only sure fix is to convert to a non-exit. The Skype problems will magically disappear after a few days. Using a VPN *might* work, but Microsoft blocks access from many of those too.
Complaining to Microsoft, especially if you're a paying Skype customer, might not help, but it can't hurt.
Jon
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Converting to a non-exit relay doesn't always help. My non-exit IP address is blocked by several internet commerce websites, probably because it is still on the official Tor list. Some webmasters do not make any distinction between exit node versus non-exit node. All Tor relays are a threat to their website, as far as they are concerned. They are willing to lose the revenue from such unsavory customers as we must be.
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10.11.2013 07:56, gq:
Dave,
Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects to a web page. Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is blocked but whatever exit relay you may be connecting through.
The original problem seemed to be that Skype rejects connection attempts from exits. In the mentioned case someone tried to make a call from one of the exits (the same machine with the same IP address) without using Tor. Unless I am getting the reply you replied to wrong, the same may happen when one runs a non-exit relay and tries to connect from the same machine to a service that blocks the Tor network, whenever the traffic comes form an exit or not. (One reason could be, not knowing that there is a difference, or just to be sure there's no trouble, or that's just the default [third-party]list they always use for blocking without carrying what's on the list)
On 11/9/2013 11:15 PM, David Carlson wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:15 AM, Jon Gardner wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten <tor@janhendrik.eu> wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay? As others mentioned, Jitsi is a great alternative, but to your question: If you want a happy gf, you'll need Skype, and the only sure fix is to convert to a non-exit. The Skype problems will magically disappear after a few days. Using a VPN *might* work, but Microsoft blocks access from many of those too.
Complaining to Microsoft, especially if you're a paying Skype customer, might not help, but it can't hurt.
Jon
Converting to a non-exit relay doesn't always help. My non-exit IP address is blocked by several internet commerce websites, probably because it is still on the official Tor list. Some webmasters do not make any distinction between exit node versus non-exit node. All Tor relays are a threat to their website, as far as they are concerned. They are willing to lose the revenue from such unsavory customers as we must be.
David
This is true. Some websites download lists of all relays and just mass block the ips. Its usually webmasters who have no idea how tor works and don't realise that a middle relay poses them no threat whatsoever. This is why education is best. If someone is blocking your IP, just email them explaining how tor works and try to convince them that your IP is no threat. On Nov 10, 2013 8:27 AM, "Sebastian G. <bastik.tor>" < bastik.tor@googlemail.com> wrote:
10.11.2013 07:56, gq:
Dave,
Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects to a web page. Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is blocked but whatever exit relay you may be connecting through.
The original problem seemed to be that Skype rejects connection attempts from exits. In the mentioned case someone tried to make a call from one of the exits (the same machine with the same IP address) without using Tor.
Unless I am getting the reply you replied to wrong, the same may happen when one runs a non-exit relay and tries to connect from the same machine to a service that blocks the Tor network, whenever the traffic comes form an exit or not. (One reason could be, not knowing that there is a difference, or just to be sure there's no trouble, or that's just the default [third-party]list they always use for blocking without carrying what's on the list)
On 11/9/2013 11:15 PM, David Carlson wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:15 AM, Jon Gardner wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Jan Hendrik den Besten <tor@janhendrik.eu> wrote:
Boy, now I am in trouble...
I run an exit node from my home address for a few weeks now, but my gf starts complaining she cannot use Skype anymore to chat with her mum.
I understand Microsoft blocks all tor exits from accessing Skype. Is there anything I can do except converting the exit into a relay? As others mentioned, Jitsi is a great alternative, but to your question: If you want a happy gf, you'll need Skype, and the only sure fix is to convert to a non-exit. The Skype problems will magically disappear after a few days. Using a VPN *might* work, but Microsoft blocks access from many of those too.
Complaining to Microsoft, especially if you're a paying Skype customer, might not help, but it can't hurt.
Jon
Converting to a non-exit relay doesn't always help. My non-exit IP address is blocked by several internet commerce websites, probably because it is still on the official Tor list. Some webmasters do not make any distinction between exit node versus non-exit node. All Tor relays are a threat to their website, as far as they are concerned. They are willing to lose the revenue from such unsavory customers as we must be.
David
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On 11/10/2013 5:37 AM, Thomas Hand wrote:
This is true. Some websites download lists of all relays and just mass block the ips. Its usually webmasters who have no idea how tor works and don't realise that a middle relay poses them no threat whatsoever. This is why education is best. If someone is blocking your IP, just email them explaining how tor works and try to convince them that your IP is no threat.
If a web commerce provider is summarily blocking every IP address on his copy of the list, chances are that they will not change to a policy of only blocking exit addresses, as that takes extra thinking. Of course such a list goes out of date faster than a phone book. That is another reason that using a list is an exercise in futility. Even more thought required to see that. Thus it would be hit or miss to try to access their website using Tor. If they do not respond to a suggestion that they learn more about Tor, a better choice is either to move on to a competitive website or to move our relay (exit or not) to a different IP address. Those options are already on the table in this thread. The situation would change if Tor became the normal means of accessing Internet commerce websites.
On Nov 10, 2013 8:27 AM, "Sebastian G. <bastik.tor>" <bastik.tor@googlemail.com <mailto:bastik.tor@googlemail.com>> wrote:
10.11.2013 07:56, gq: > Dave, > > Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects to a web page. > Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is blocked but > whatever exit relay you may be connecting through.
The original problem seemed to be that Skype rejects connection attempts from exits. In the mentioned case someone tried to make a call from one of the exits (the same machine with the same IP address) without using Tor.
Unless I am getting the reply you replied to wrong, the same may happen when one runs a non-exit relay and tries to connect from the same machine to a service that blocks the Tor network, whenever the traffic comes form an exit or not. (One reason could be, not knowing that there is a difference, or just to be sure there's no trouble, or that's just the default [third-party]list they always use for blocking without carrying what's on the list)
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