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Hi, It's difficult to nail down without any actual information to go on. It's sort of like saying "my back hurts" and asking people what may have caused it to hurt. You'll get a few random answers, at best. -k0nsl Den 12/4/2015 kl. 3:46 AM, skrev Kurt Besig:
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Hi, It's difficult to nail down without any actual information to go on. It's sort of like saying "my back hurts" and asking people what may have caused it to hurt. You'll get a few random answers, at best. -k0nsl
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Well. even a doctor would make a few suggestions based on some sort of experience based reasoning. Perhaps some connection problems associated with running tor-arm on a VPS vs. a home server...things of that nature. Also I was just wondering as I don't see many of the relay operators that used to post to this list around anymore, has something changed to make them move on?? Lots of people whining about their consensus weight numbers, but little of substance being posted. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWYQv1AAoJEJQqkaGlFNDP4d4H/iSOTYsEa3Q+Kj5BIREOY+Ka KsoplgYbVPbUxg9x37BD88p7+02YMKlwhEW5sMemd/+ySC9IsXhsdfxXrRaE+SZk tm6+Wd2FoZBDoYem5e87PNo1fBuOE4aBgS3XNBuA2H6FZRpNpY8asOB4YlJdxy66 83aTDB43gRqkHpONgyBcYnhOuOt6L9CiZyXkJqtLpgYAtvmwv82MRYMU72PHsLjE Dzh+tj4o+FnsDVgC5nnk4yPXyeStMMQLdx51IuamTvji7n/JJD+HQmc94wTq1ocI AW3GCoeAId7XNtpkVgtfT1lVIS8D177edQHbGAjSIEEE3E+QVhizvSWtBU1i13w= =/kbu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Also I was just wondering as I don't see many of the relay operators that used to post to this list around anymore, has something changed to make them move on?? Lots of people whining about their consensus weight numbers, but little of substance being posted.
Well, for me it is obvious. This list is a massive disappointment so I don't wonder why it's quiet. I thought I was joining a loose but passionate, clever and idealistic community. I thought I would learn just being a listener and building my knowledge of security and servers. In nearly four years I've learned little except not to post unless I'm able to cope with a smack from out of the blue for not knowing.
Yeah I see the probleme: Your didn't provide any Config extract nor logs nor other stuff like that. Provide your config to see if you made an unix socket or a network socket or if you set any password. If you set up a network listener please provide netstat output. Maybe a dumb question: Have you restarted Tor after you made changes? Provide information that the community can analyze. Just whining won't help. ~Josef Am 04.12.2015 um 06:07 schrieb I:
Also I was just wondering as I don't see many of the relay operators that used to post to this list around anymore, has something changed to make them move on?? Lots of people whining about their consensus weight numbers, but little of substance being posted. Well, for me it is obvious. This list is a massive disappointment so I don't wonder why it's quiet.
I thought I was joining a loose but passionate, clever and idealistic community. I thought I would learn just being a listener and building my knowledge of security and servers.
In nearly four years I've learned little except not to post unless I'm able to cope with a smack from out of the blue for not knowing.
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Am Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 08:57 schrieb Josef 'veloc1ty' Stautner <hello@veloc1ty.de>:
Have you restarted Tor after you made changes? Yes. After ive done changes i always restart the Server hard. Tor is Running As Daemon so hours after restart i just do a check at atlas.torproject.org if its up&running ~ usually it is, so just fine
dont hesitate to ask but dont expect a answer here. join irc or your local kind community.
On 12/04/15 00:07, I wrote:
I thought I was joining a loose but passionate, clever and idealistic community. I thought I would learn just being a listener and building my knowledge of security and servers.
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Kurt Besig wrote:
Well. even a doctor would make a few suggestions based on some sort of experience based reasoning. Perhaps some connection problems associated with running tor-arm on a VPS vs. a home server...things of that nature. Also I was just wondering as I don't see many of the relay operators that used to post to this list around anymore, has something changed to make them move on?? Lots of people whining about their consensus weight numbers, but little of substance being posted.
The people who know what they're doing can quickly, reliably set-and-forget relays. That's the ideal scenario - tweaking knobs is mostly a liability and performance issues are a development concern.
On 12/03/2015 10:09 PM, Michael McConville wrote:
Kurt Besig wrote:
Well. even a doctor would make a few suggestions based on some sort of experience based reasoning. Perhaps some connection problems associated with running tor-arm on a VPS vs. a home server...things of that nature. Also I was just wondering as I don't see many of the relay operators that used to post to this list around anymore, has something changed to make them move on?? Lots of people whining about their consensus weight numbers, but little of substance being posted.
The people who know what they're doing can quickly, reliably set-and-forget relays. That's the ideal scenario - tweaking knobs is mostly a liability and performance issues are a development concern.
This is very much the case.
Looks like you got more than you paid for. On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote:
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On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:29:58 -0800 AMuse <tor-amuse@foofus.com> allegedly wrote:
Looks like you got more than you paid for.
On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote:
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That I got two responses after posting to tor-relays regarding a fairly simple, I thought, CntrolPort question on a new VPS relay.. That's pathetic. Thanks for all your input.
+1 to that. People on this list are all volunteers - both as relay operators and as list participants. If any of those volunteers choose to help fellow list members, then good for them. However, if list posters whine and castigate others then they should not be surprised if no-one helps in future. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 http://baldric.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/4/2015 9:29 AM, AMuse wrote:
Looks like you got more than you paid for.
On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote:
That I got two responses after posting to tor-relays regarding a fairly simple, I thought, CntrolPort question on a new VPS relay.. That's pathetic. Thanks for all your input. Yeah, that's the kind of useful answer that has made this list so popular...thanks for the response. >>
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He is right. Do you want help now or what? Am 04.12.2015 um 19:21 schrieb Kurt Besig:
On 12/4/2015 9:29 AM, AMuse wrote:
Looks like you got more than you paid for.
On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote:
That I got two responses after posting to tor-relays regarding a fairly simple, I thought, CntrolPort question on a new VPS relay.. That's pathetic. Thanks for all your input. Yeah, that's the kind of useful answer that has made this list so popular...thanks for the response. >>
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Believe it or not, Kurt, if you'd asked in your follow-up in anything resembling a nice or appreciative tone, I'd have helped you. I'm on too many email lists and things get buried sometimes, so I didn't see any of your original requests. I had a few minutes today where I could have chatted with you on IRC and worked things out, maybe. Instead I gave you a pithy short reply, because that's all your attitude deserves. Take it as a life lesson (or not, I don't really care that much) but you'll get a lot more support from people if you don't act like an entitled jerk who deserves other peoples' time and expertise for free. On 2015-12-04 10:21, Kurt Besig wrote:
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On 12/4/2015 9:29 AM, AMuse wrote:
Looks like you got more than you paid for. On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote: That I got two responses after posting to tor-relays regarding a fairly simple, I thought, CntrolPort question on a new VPS relay.. That's pathetic. Thanks for all your input.
Yeah, that's the kind of useful answer that has made this list so popular...thanks for the response. >> _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays [1] _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays [1]
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/4/2015 10:33 AM, AMuse wrote:
Believe it or not, Kurt, if you'd asked in your follow-up in anything resembling a nice or appreciative tone, I'd have helped you. I'm on too many email lists and things get buried sometimes, so I didn't see any of your original requests. I had a few minutes today where I could have chatted with you on IRC and worked things out, maybe.
Instead I gave you a pithy short reply, because that's all your attitude deserves.
Take it as a life lesson (or not, I don't really care that much) but you'll get a lot more support from people if you don't act like an entitled jerk who deserves other peoples' time and expertise for free.
On 2015-12-04 10:21, Kurt Besig wrote:
On 12/4/2015 9:29 AM, AMuse wrote:
Looks like you got more than you paid for. On 2015-12-03 18:46, Kurt Besig wrote: That I got two responses after posting to tor-relays regarding a fairly simple, I thought, CntrolPort question on a new VPS relay.. That's pathetic. Thanks for all your input. Yeah, that's the kind of useful answer that has made this list so popular...thanks for the response. >>
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You're right, I have been too hasty in my negative responses to this list's subscribers. For that I do apologize to everyone. I too am nothing more than a volunteer relay operator like most here and as such have no special privileges or power to "force" anyone's response. In hindsight I realize that. Unfortunately living in this fast paced society of entitlement it's easy to occasionally get caught up in it, again, for that I am sorry.
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I suspect you're also getting few replies because relatively few experienced relay operators use arm. That's only a guess, but I found arm a needless, breakable complication after the rush of running my first relay wore off. It is fun to use and useful to beginners, though. :-) No disrespect to the developers.
Do you got an alternative for arm? i use munin too, for connections etc. Am 04.12.2015 20:12, schrieb Michael McConville:
I suspect you're also getting few replies because relatively few experienced relay operators use arm. That's only a guess, but I found arm a needless, breakable complication after the rush of running my first relay wore off.
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On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:15:18 +0100 David Schulz <coby@fu110.de> wrote:
Do you got an alternative for arm? i use munin too, for connections etc.
"For connections"? Why do you ever need to view the actual connections from/to your relay. As alternatives to arm, when looking after a relay that's spinning up, I use 'nload' and 'top', and for the longer term monitoring I have a small script which periodically mails me outputs of 'vnstat' hourly/daily/monthly reports running from crontab. -- With respect, Roman
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 He probably means viewing the total number of connections to and from the relay. This is what I use munin for too: the total number of connections and the total amount of incoming and outgoing bandwidth. I use arm too to make me feel comfortable at a dull moment by staring at the graphs doing their thing. You can call it crazy but I call it relaxing ;) On 12/4/15 8:27 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:15:18 +0100 David Schulz <coby@fu110.de> wrote:
Do you got an alternative for arm? i use munin too, for connections etc.
"For connections"? Why do you ever need to view the actual connections from/to your relay.
As alternatives to arm, when looking after a relay that's spinning up, I use 'nload' and 'top', and for the longer term monitoring I have a small script which periodically mails me outputs of 'vnstat' hourly/daily/monthly reports running from crontab.
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Am 04.12.2015 20:12, schrieb Michael McConville:
I suspect you're also getting few replies because relatively few experienced relay operators use arm. That's only a guess, but I found arm a needless, breakable complication after the rush of running my first relay wore off.
It is fun to use and useful to beginners, though. :-) No disrespect to the developers.
Do you got an alternative for arm? i use munin too, for connections etc.
Just the logs, these days.
Michael McConville wrote:
David Schulz wrote:
Am 04.12.2015 20:12, schrieb Michael McConville:
I suspect you're also getting few replies because relatively few experienced relay operators use arm. That's only a guess, but I found arm a needless, breakable complication after the rush of running my first relay wore off.
It is fun to use and useful to beginners, though. :-) No disrespect to the developers.
Do you got an alternative for arm? i use munin too, for connections etc.
Just the logs, these days.
As someone else mentioned, I use general system tools (for OpenBSD: systat, ifstat, pftop, lsof, etc.) for more complicated diagnoses.
Are you aware that you just wrote "write that sort of retort privately" by not, yourself, writing your retort privately? As to why I published my original reply to the list, it's because I felt that other lurkers who are perhaps newbies to how open source support listservs work might also benefit from the lesson. On 2015-12-04 13:22, I wrote:
write that sort of retort privately
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