I’m seeing an Onionoo issue with one relay and wanted to check if others have seen it too. Relay: * Nickname: ShinobiHouou * Fingerprint: 7E87EC2F20A371E32E6672A6D04B55471BC5D369 * Tor: 0.4.9.11 * FamilyId: K620zs7GW3AqmEOzvkGYJE/D5HsWrOrmDlckrhxbrXE The relay has been online since 2026-07-11. Onionoo updates last_seen normally and the relay is reachable on IPv4/IPv6. The rest of my Shinobi relay family shows family_ids in Onionoo. This is the only one missing it, out of 15 relays. Onionoo’s full details document includes family_cert: |curl "https://onionoo.torproject.org/details?lookup=7E87EC2F20A371E32E6672A6D04B55..." | jq| Relevant part: |"family_cert": "AQwAB5K5AfR4C6AIeIu0XUQn5Td+xHll8Hon3vGRqcKUZIfD6YFbAQAgBAArrbTO..."| But this still returns no family_ids: |curl "https://onionoo.torproject.org/details?lookup=7E87EC2F20A371E32E6672A6D04B55..." | jq| Output: | { "relays": [ {} ] }| 1AEO also detects the relay as Happy Families, but keeps it under “Pending Onionoo refresh”. https://metrics.1aeo.com/relay/7E87EC2F20A371E32E6672A6D04B55471BC5D369/ So it looks like Onionoo sees family_cert, but does not derive/expose family_ids for this relay. I found what looks like a similar earlier tor-relays/forum thread: https://forum.torproject.org/t/tor-relays-onionoo-relays-with-family-cert-bu... Is this expected/known behavior, or is there a way to debug why family_ids is absent even though family_cert is present in Onionoo? Any hints or sanity checks would be appreciated. rE-Bo0t.bx1 https://relays.brokenbotnet.com