+1 I think a better IRC directory would go a long way toward a) shortening the new hire up-to-speed time (speaking from experience!) and b) helping outsiders join the community. Thanks for taking the initiative on this, Damian! TC On 7/5/17 8:05 AM, Tom . wrote:

I think this is a good idea, and am fine with all that info. My standard photo is 'out there', but I'm not sure if I'll choose that or my identicon. A couple of thoughts:

- It's pretty easy/simple to handle people who don't want a photo: it's standard practice everywhere to just let them pick a (hopefully non-offensive) thumbnail they like or use already.

- If someone doesn't want to pick a thumbnail, perhaps we can default them to an onion.

- I'm not sure how I feel about the EFF page being full-width and everything. I'm not sure how well that works for the long list we have.

Ideas/Opinions: https://www.eff.org/about/staff - full width means very long. I also prefer our abbreviated bios to these very long ones that try and list every notable accomplishment the person has ever done (looking at you Peter!)

https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/team.html - I don't like any design that requires hovering over to get any non-biographical information though.

https://www.opentech.fund/about/people - This could almost work, but many people's descriptions are longer than 6 words.

-tom

On 4 July 2017 at 16:25, Damian Johnson <atagar@torproject.org> wrote:

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Freedom! Sweet GSoC-less freedom! Ok, lets ruin it.

Between newhires and new volunteers Tor is growing quite a bit right now and a common complaint I've heard for years is that our community makes it maddeningly hard to figure out who's who. Yes, for many of us this is intentional but for others it's not...

"Who's that arma guy I was talking with on irc? He seemed nice. Ok, thanks. Now which of these people is Roger? Great. And, what does he do?". Multiply that by ninety dev meeting attendees and it's no wonder we drive our lovely hair-pulling newcomers to early baldness.

For much of our community this anonymity is intentional and we definitely don't want to muck with that, but I suspect some opt-in information from those of us ok with it could make our community a lot easier to join. As such I'd like to run the following questionnaire among our tor-internal@ membership...

* Would you like to be listed on the 'core people' webpage [1]? If so...

* What name or alias would you like to be called? * Provide a description for the page of what you do. * Would it be ok to list your IRC nick? If so, what is it? * Would it be ok to list your OpenPGP key? If so what is your public key? * Is there a photo or image you'd like to have displayed?

Many folks will say 'heck no' to much of this and that's perfectly fine. The last question is a bit of an experiment where I'm curious if we can pattern ourselves after the EFF's page [2]. Maybe this won't pan out but here's my thoughts...

* Newcomers first come to know us by cryptic irc nicks that look akin to truncated sha256 digests. Pictures may make our community feel friendlier and more approachable. Note this *doesn't* need to see a photo. For example see Mark Burdett and Ben Burke on the EFF page.

* Maybe a page of smiling faces and cartoon turtles will be helpful to Shari for her upcoming fund raiser?

Maybe this'll work, maybe it won't. My hope is that folks will have fun coming up with a picture to represent them, but maybe too few people will to make it work. Who knows - worth asking. ;)

Thoughts? This dovetails nicely with my role maintaining tor-internal@ so I'd be happy to keep it up to date as we continue to grow our community.

Cheers! -Damian

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* Would you like your twitter handle to be listed? If so, what is it?

Oops! I'm not on twitter so it completely slipped my mind but you're right, seems most tor folks are. Will do.

* Do you have a social media account or personal website you would like to list? If so, what is it?

Bah! Great addition just minutes after I emailed everybody. :P Indeed if folks have a webpage they'd care to cite please let me know.

Thanks Tom! Definitely agreed on all points. If folks have any other good 'people pages' for me to look at it would be much appreciated. I'm not particularly married to the EFF's and there's probably bits and pieces we can take from them all. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Tom . <tom@ritter.vg> wrote:

I think this is a good idea, and am fine with all that info. My standard photo is 'out there', but I'm not sure if I'll choose that or my identicon. A couple of thoughts:

- It's pretty easy/simple to handle people who don't want a photo: it's standard practice everywhere to just let them pick a (hopefully non-offensive) thumbnail they like or use already.

- If someone doesn't want to pick a thumbnail, perhaps we can default them to an onion.

- I'm not sure how I feel about the EFF page being full-width and everything. I'm not sure how well that works for the long list we have.

Ideas/Opinions: https://www.eff.org/about/staff - full width means very long. I also prefer our abbreviated bios to these very long ones that try and list every notable accomplishment the person has ever done (looking at you Peter!)

https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/team.html - I don't like any design that requires hovering over to get any non-biographical information though.

https://www.opentech.fund/about/people - This could almost work, but many people's descriptions are longer than 6 words.

-tom

On 4 July 2017 at 16:25, Damian Johnson <atagar@torproject.org> wrote:

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Freedom! Sweet GSoC-less freedom! Ok, lets ruin it.

Between newhires and new volunteers Tor is growing quite a bit right now and a common complaint I've heard for years is that our community makes it maddeningly hard to figure out who's who. Yes, for many of us this is intentional but for others it's not...

"Who's that arma guy I was talking with on irc? He seemed nice. Ok, thanks. Now which of these people is Roger? Great. And, what does he do?". Multiply that by ninety dev meeting attendees and it's no wonder we drive our lovely hair-pulling newcomers to early baldness.

For much of our community this anonymity is intentional and we definitely don't want to muck with that, but I suspect some opt-in information from those of us ok with it could make our community a lot easier to join. As such I'd like to run the following questionnaire among our tor-internal@ membership...

* Would you like to be listed on the 'core people' webpage [1]? If so...

* What name or alias would you like to be called? * Provide a description for the page of what you do. * Would it be ok to list your IRC nick? If so, what is it? * Would it be ok to list your OpenPGP key? If so what is your public key? * Is there a photo or image you'd like to have displayed?

Many folks will say 'heck no' to much of this and that's perfectly fine. The last question is a bit of an experiment where I'm curious if we can pattern ourselves after the EFF's page [2]. Maybe this won't pan out but here's my thoughts...

* Newcomers first come to know us by cryptic irc nicks that look akin to truncated sha256 digests. Pictures may make our community feel friendlier and more approachable. Note this *doesn't* need to see a photo. For example see Mark Burdett and Ben Burke on the EFF page.

* Maybe a page of smiling faces and cartoon turtles will be helpful to Shari for her upcoming fund raiser?

Maybe this'll work, maybe it won't. My hope is that folks will have fun coming up with a picture to represent them, but maybe too few people will to make it work. Who knows - worth asking. ;)

Thoughts? This dovetails nicely with my role maintaining tor-internal@ so I'd be happy to keep it up to date as we continue to grow our community.

Cheers! -Damian

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Hi all, entries are still rolling in but here's what I have so far. Note that this page is unlinked - I'll be leaving the old page in place to both give folks time and ensure everyone's happy with their entry. old page: https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en new page: https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople_alternate.html.en Web design isn't really my strongsuit so feedback and suggestions are most certainly welcome. Cheers! -Damian PS. Please check that your PGP key is correct. In many cases I fetched keys from the MIT keyserver.

Thanks Tom!

- Are the 'Developer' 'Researcher' titles really helpful? I don't think they are. Fewer words is better.

I'm a bit on the fence about that too. I fiddled with quite a few approaches before settling on this. Imho the page looked better with these but I'd be happy to provide a screenshot without them if folks would care to see what it's like.

- Instead of the link just saying "Twitter" I would make it the username, like @tomrittervg - Similarly, maybe (but maybe not) the PGP Key link would look better if it was the fingerprint (or if that's too long the 64 bit Key ID)

Actually, I tried both of these too. In a previous version it was "Twitter: @tomrittervg" and had your fingerprint but imho it didn't look very good. I'd be happy to provide a screenshot if folks want.

- My icon wasn't designed to be non-square. But whatever, I don't have a better idea. :)

Mind giving it some thought? I'd love to have a better picture to show for ya. Honestly the geometric shapes aren't very interesting. :P

Hi all, here's some screenshots so folks can give their two cents on the styling... * Current styling, which lists twitter and key links. https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-current.png * Previous styling, which included job descriptions. https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-with_labels.png * Replacing the twitter and key links with icons. This makes the page less cluttered but not sure if I like it better or not. https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-with_icons.png Thoughts welcome. Again, I'm not a web designer so not really sure what's best.

Thanks Arturo!

- You probably need a bit more padding around left and right of the columns (10-20px) and a little bit more top and bottom (I think you already added some padding, but it still seems a bit too clutterred in my opinion)

There was a 5px padding between the columns and 15px vertically. Bumping the column padding to 10px indeed looks better. Shrinking the icons and making the margin apply to them (rather than just the description) looks a lot better so gonna move forward with the icons for now.

- I like the idea of using icons for the links to PGP keys and twitter, but I would put them below the IRC handle (and not in the upper right corner). I would also use a monochrome icon set instead of something with colors. An icon set I usually use is font-awesome: http://fontawesome.io/. I think for those two items you can probably use: http://fontawesome.io/icon/key/ and http://fontawesome.io/icon/twitter/ or http://fontawesome.io/icon/twitter-square/.

Hmmm, just tried moving the icons there but didn't seem to work as well imho. I can provide before/after screenshots if folks are curious how this looks. Monochrome looked good on Atlas since it used a consistent aesthetic. Not so sure about here though.

- How long do you expect the description text to be? If you anticipate it being quite long, maybe it’s worth trying out a single column layout to avoid the description text overflowing and creating asymetry in the boxes.

If the descriptions are very long they wrap below the photo so I'm keeping description length below that. I realize I could use a clear to avoid the wrap but I think having this limitation is a good thing since it prevents anybody's description from becoming TL;DR.

- For the placeholder image (the onion icon) I would also go for something monochrome to avoid it creating too much visual overload (see: https://github.com/TheTorProject/tor-media/blob/master/Onion%20Icon/Black_Ic...).

Hmmm. Gave it a try but honestly not sure monochome onions looks better... https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-monochrome_onion.png If folks want this though that's fine.

Maybe even give it a give it an `opacity: 0.8` to make it even more subdle. If when trying that out it doesn’t look right and you still want to use the colored one, be sure to use the official color icon version (https://github.com/TheTorProject/tor-media/blob/master/Onion%20Icon/Onion_Co...) that doesn’t have the weird shading on the onion leafs and body of the onion.

Oooh, that does look better. I had to scale up the trac icon to make it work - svg export is a lot more crisp.

Do you have the css and source of these? That would be useful to try some of these ideas out.

Yup, here it is. https://gitweb.torproject.org/project/web/webwml.git/tree/about/en/corepeopl... Thanks for the suggestions Arturo!

Yikes that was a rush of additions! Think I'm finally up to date with everybody's requests. If I missed anything please let me know... https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople_alternate.html.en If you have an onion picture I'd love to add something with a little more character. We already have a few non-face pictures (personally I really like Silvia's). If you can think of something you'd like to use please let me know. Cheers! -Damian

On 10 Jul 2017, at 03:10, Damian Johnson <atagar@torproject.org> wrote:

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- For the placeholder image (the onion icon) I would also go for something monochrome to avoid it creating too much visual overload (see: https://github.com/TheTorProject/tor-media/blob/master/Onion%20Icon/Black_Ic...).

Hmmm. Gave it a try but honestly not sure monochome onions looks better...

https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-monochrome_onion.png

If folks want this though that's fine.

I think the monochrome looks better. T -- Tim Wilson-Brown (teor) teor2345 at gmail dot com PGP C855 6CED 5D90 A0C5 29F6 4D43 450C BA7F 968F 094B ricochet:ekmygaiu4rzgsk6n xmpp: teor at torproject dot org ------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 7/10/17 13:35, Stephanie Whited wrote:

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Hmmm. Gave it a try but honestly not sure monochome onions looks better...

https://www.atagar.com/transfer/tmp/people_page-monochrome_onion.png

If folks want this though that's fine. I think the monochrome looks better. I also think the monochrome might look better, and I think it would help if the key and twitter icons were also monochrome to match.

With or without the monochrome, can we try:

- resizing the onion smaller, more white space - removing the rounded corners on the pics

I did a quick test of the above in the attached image.

-Steph

-- Stephanie Whited Communications Director The Tor Project

On the topic of monochrome onion images and icons ... I don't like them. Not on the current torproject.org website. They don't fit in. Maybe if the rest of the website was more web X.0 or had a flatter theme. However, I am not a UI or UX person. I also don't mind the rounded corners on pictures. Either way is fine as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for making the people page better! Matt "just has to be different"

On 07/09/2017 10:23 AM, David Goulet wrote:

- I would sort the names in alphabetical order by last name. I find it much more useful when you are looking for someone then the first name.

I suggest asking people which part of their name to sort on. (Some people write their family name first, etc.) You could default to some "reasonable" Euro/Anglo conventions if they don't specify. -Taylor

Hi all, new people page is now live! https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en Thanks everyone for your help putting this together. Cheers! -Damian

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:00:01AM -0700, Damian Johnson wrote:

Hi everyone! If you haven't already please check your pgp key on...

https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople_alternate.html.en

The one I initially pulled from the MIT keyserver for Roger turned out to be a fake. For folks who sent me an attachment with their public key I used that, but for everybody else I simply snagged what I could find. Feel free to shoot me a copy of your public key if you want to be extra sure it's right.

Maybe not too related to this, but it would be great if a similar work was done to the "Verify package signatures" [0] and "Signing keys" [1] pages. Making some integration to db.torproject.org may be too much work, but just reviewing those and using long key ids would be nice. Among the short key ids in [1] is Roger's and that makes it easy for people to get the fake one by distraction. P.S. Great work on the people page, Damian! Thanks, -Felipe [0]: https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures.html.en [1]: https://www.torproject.org/docs/signing-keys.html.en