maintenance status of atlas or globe
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.) thanks, Nusenu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVFqYBAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0u1QQAKSai+lYibASpYdqUFnfka7E APq5zGYnkR1I9KGTR8aL9+Z/dlEzl2fCCztwyfFZPYFudh/qzPtSPDUInLvDE/za 3X25hbCHwyW9Q7jQKAYWYuYWACE1S4F62e6TFzoT20gga1EhldBO+FqL943D7DuV 4FPT6lkWuPtZKF5X3gb0tkS6d48o5NYSp3RhFsowX2Y3SfdoRnTa86QbQ+2k9g7K R2W6f53c6jxwUU8MC4W3Tqc2JykojFbZADvwi8QxJ+4KlxWimG6PDshuJoY+sdsX R0n5o0L986uAn9CA5K5s/ANLkl9cYgt/oxptsY4HWSFKAh6xjdQBSYt5qjXI+KxL d1PDPdGXjolePsjUv/md+hnoRVjo4FCjx+5aQw23QhGaCi9Np0E87rF2xuUNmszs y9F/niXvNJMp1OIhVDeTinLm18lkOVCoGz/UkHdbiBj5md/5GTfql3zp2Nssku30 O+hUOEuvTJ0mousMglFeWRiO2UiliU55qTEbIUV5o4YVCK4uWA11v06so6dI4FNh bRwqUTsnzU/PqLdvgDUP3fiZXizVoxQB+KMzwnmroV+QmL+cnAR7ac8hU/PfPH/F nC/lONV5ZiXnmBZXvHTnIUBeHRwtQi48rDWtNLnSQmRN3i8jwP1NiUmuyKXZgA2a 6+cGVMKBA+Xy2sBciw9y =2YsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nusenu, On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks! The situation is different from Compass which doesn't really have a maintainer to prevent it from falling over. All the best, Karsten -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVF6jDAAoJEJD5dJfVqbCr3xsIAIUNDVlvpQJQpMbDLuAV8Y5K urGCQcBZFxzJlSERGsWL2ZlrZLNSSK7oPpQxCKwvlUa1q8W+ahTMrulJ0QJZ0GKR 5Xo8PPuEg+3tKLaATbDkrMRh9ip5qBvbs5HFcIRtvXsuC/eqjhsBePo+HzFCBQIi kOrTJaAPV4dZKamKuGEkTkuzKWfcpS/KdW9xxm9uNOeyXNwTuTNayLDq+NXH0jxv 5H73y/f1JR/ShE0NoiDwDCe3RgPGxo04e4s+rjg3LrdbwUWISGDpe1niKqmdqCYB 3bf7iCuLFJX+MkYE0RxdIEyhZpC6rTOQe53Qluya10gowjK69UjLF9u1iZu6pUs= =0uyh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Karsten Loesing transcribed 1.3K bytes:
Hi Nusenu,
On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks!
I started maintaining Globe recently in order to take some of the patches that were sitting idle on Trac and in someone's fork of Globe on Github. Unfortunately, I no longer have enough extra time to do this minor maintenance, nor anything more extensive. I would be absolutely delighted if someone else stepped up to be a real maintainer for Globe! -- ♥Ⓐ isis agora lovecruft _________________________________________________________ OpenPGP: 4096R/0A6A58A14B5946ABDE18E207A3ADB67A2CDB8B35 Current Keys: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt
Hello, Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality. Thanks! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:24 PM, isis <isis@torproject.org> wrote:
Karsten Loesing transcribed 1.3K bytes:
Hi Nusenu,
On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks!
I started maintaining Globe recently in order to take some of the patches that were sitting idle on Trac and in someone's fork of Globe on Github.
Unfortunately, I no longer have enough extra time to do this minor maintenance, nor anything more extensive. I would be absolutely delighted if someone else stepped up to be a real maintainer for Globe!
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Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same. Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both? -- ♥Ⓐ isis agora lovecruft _________________________________________________________ OpenPGP: 4096R/0A6A58A14B5946ABDE18E207A3ADB67A2CDB8B35 Current Keys: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt
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IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics
I agree.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Given the scars maintenance resources I wanted to suggest the same thing. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVGRynAAoJEFv7XvVCELh03vEP/3C0d2lXfZ4Ug36R2H7wFB1e WWNbaB4vxWC68CmIvjOU5e7eHaZhdhJ6ID4Fq7rC3N6uVZO+7UT21m0W6B83a9p8 Ev+Tzs2KDEvcnp/rLYuq7Cl2E6lzcW1kWwtG1aGwYAAZrxtqJbPIm16zlmp3n0hM J9I1P8MLn78yn9reYBLuYMDwvCWFIKR/FcOuwscbhlkaooOBHJ/PBo5JoLHVdWkT JqKd84I73PKMHuWoI02YaE8mzJ1ykNxNApGCr73OkWT/PJZ2ENelpOHyU9sCxYy2 HjVbGCS3z/BL08gyflyhKu8blg2DN+MbM2ah2uvUCikAPVCOAEHJXCLitp+LkHzo GmlcihyzIBugWTZytVRaur1Bw5aEXuFvvvV7SfxGqw776AbtzLj3gxZpOZ620gCH 7HM13yysT56s2iCY4B2IPnGWThKBuKFxHOKsctaHTpCZHRfB90JbIaRwnZmIwUTb LrGzyeRkTJmTnhxr+fr20d4S3HMaz+YXYxoJnnK9wM0hUIbD5qYUJEcMJZ0L6PFs SpzETF4fow4+OtdYKpIOy1UYeURAzLLAmesB5wZb51lq7H4Xj6PljWM8RV7NpyWH Aa2BG8iHhMgoHWILtzWtDnJh8wQJniLAzexzqmIcvWFVvFj/2h/5Uew57IfRt2Uh ECnc0AxKVXokRu/suOLN =o9Zk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 30/03/15 11:51, Nusenu wrote:
IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics
I agree.
Well, this is probably difficult to argue about. Personally, I like Globe's interface more. A matter of taste? But more importantly, I think Globe has the better code. That's probably a question for real web front-end developers though. (Not saying that this wouldn't apply to other people on this thread, but it certainly doesn't apply to me.) So, maybe we should improve Globe's aesthetics to look more like Atlas' and then focus on Globe. For example, I hear that people complained about Globe using too much whitespace.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Given the scars maintenance resources I wanted to suggest the same thing.
Sure, sounds fine. We're not spending many resources on maintenance these days, so whichever of the two we focus our efforts on now will soon become the better tool. Thanks for helping! All the best, Karsten -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVGTbiAAoJEJD5dJfVqbCrFpEH/0MN0KREyMWT7k5BI0b5PehG ja/rLIv2R0xjQDPaEuctyZBU4yPR9gEEUOkqHCZPjT5e6PrPqp54SmtZdSk7svL7 mSCrJdYBCrjskl45nrewT21QLLeJGp8A4eYgz9C0KkhyihNgJrvwp8ZnkJWwePzy 3mbAwzFF86qUoaMkklGy90RnIQNAtIcj4IdCUt6IhlxdPmQeKKEbpC2g3HhGK3lU eu+CfCTGWRqefJyNHVuOwFcgijBuLUfNmeAG2JBHH11xMhmjBx7Cjeh/k2pD30/7 hkG6Hy6LdyHlDnLWUdCCddBpgAmZEXFUHylMN2++iyVbBVYSlxd0W5QWgnNacBo= =JstU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Well, this is probably difficult to argue about. Personally, I like Globe's interface more. A matter of taste?
Yes, definitely.
But more importantly, I think Globe has the better code. That's probably a question for real web front-end developers though. (Not saying that this wouldn't apply to other people on this thread, but it certainly doesn't apply to me.)
So, maybe we should improve Globe's aesthetics to look more like Atlas' and then focus on Globe. For example, I hear that people complained about Globe using too much whitespace.
current situation - - globe lost its maintainer - - atlas is maintained by phw - - globes code might be better according to Karsten - - globes graphs are more powerful (user can choose time span to a certain extent) - - a few people(?) prefer altas' UI over globes due to excessive whitespace in globe Eventually the one actually doing the maintenance will be the one deciding which one will be focused on - I guess. Atlas tickets: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assign... Globe tickets: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assign...
whichever of the two we focus our efforts on now will soon become the better tool.
Looking forward to it! btw: I just found out that globe also supports contact:<keyword> searches, maybe this should be documented somewhere? And because it has no <40 results restrictions it just became my favorite ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVGUNKAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0MwYP/3gUauB1Wqn8D1sIdJfiqXGB KNnBlEGAOA1u5I2luDd7zYrBSLzNyHcASEGztjlpH214UIKJYNmFCO7Q+0Ll1VVw o/fXSmUcKNcF2sWonSDS5KduM4+zIf+63cRwtZ+XhhyivmHa6/M7aESu8z4piCDY 6crI5RS15HE6cMmgn0P5J6MNcO55AFuLtqbon3niiWH81mHmlhqUeOFxxYv65hWF QpfUrhxNZu1dNKGBimKgaYXGJ7a8J46Ct2TqTJkptLH7OlqssHrSBkr/u6LkLy9p or7lnFEQon4rFswaGJUscAgkwAf3BbZOVuJ2/qt/w+jtwEdEQVeG2C114kyWCgqW tdoWnvsl8Hmyts/e27EP62yBiwoWK7tuRqlkEs+ML0ViGpNxt+QckNMecG5yTcLh JkQqtO8/mWwACJ4FvmNIgReqDfi4ZprwhOfWNQcboLMTldBoqg6cfMe+xTN43XFO w+MOIIoy8t+BSJm5hHGrmBYpeUlFRhNIsoR0lpCKkq8xkO3QPDcNLwx171n+m/dL g/Xv90DNZiU6KVUBBJwUlMJLo5DV9M+aXNPe9JdwBKqGkSp5RGDRF2THew+8ie6u j+MShTi1hJyYY6AKq5kxwXz5IkikVyhZkKW7viBKxSr7OWnC2BJSc3W6N+/E9uMZ aaUm64+YL7gVn/6FfjSm =Dn4/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
It looks like Atlas is essentially a static application where everything runs client side. Globe has a has a node.js backend. Is there any actually need for state to persist within the application? Atlas looks like a cleaner system in many ways. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:40 AM, isis <isis@torproject.org> wrote:
Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:40 AM, isis <isis@torproject.org> wrote:
Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same.
Agreed. Atlas seems much simpler to me as well.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Unless, I am wrong Globe supports filtering relays by country, type and flag. Something that can be Atlas doesn't have now. So for the time-being, it would be better to maintain it with minor patches? As for Atlas, it looks like someone is already working on the advancement feature [1]. Thanks! --
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