[tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and Anonymity

Mark McCarron mark.mccarron at live.co.uk
Tue Jul 1 21:11:09 UTC 2014

The bottom line here is, can the software be compromised?

The answer is yes.

The solution is to fix it.  Only those with an agenda won't want that, or will try to subvert that process.  So, as Paul says we don't need to take him at his word, we just ask can the software be compromised and what is being done about it.

That will tell everyone what they need to know.


Mark McCarron

> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:26:04 -0400
> From: paul.syverson at nrl.navy.mil
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and Anonymity
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:41:30PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:36:08 -0400
> > Paul Syverson <paul.syverson at nrl.navy.mil> wrote:
> > 
> [snip]
> > 
> > >It's hard to imagine what would satisfy you at this point but
> > > perhaps this will help: I designed Tor with Roger and Nick. At all
> > > times we designed it to be as secure as we could given usability,
> > > performance, and other practicality goals (which are themselves
> > > security goals we considered, as has also been widely documented). At
> > > no point did we intentionally do anything to make the design less
> > > secure than we could think how to do while still making it as usable
> > > and practical as possible.
> > 
> > 
> > 	You do realize that given the politics of the US government
> > 	your claims are pretty shaky, no ? You are to be oh so
> > 	trusted...because you say so? Come on. 
> > 
> In keeping with the explicit goals and assumptions of Tor: No, I don't
> think I should be taken at my word.  I think people should instead
> rely on the extraordinary evidence of the most well-documented,
> scrutinized, and open system in existence. I wouldn't have bothered to
> claim anything except that Mark explicitly said, "I don't see anyone
> denying it.  Do you?"  As I noted, I did see that others already had.
> But since he didn't seem to, and as a designer of Tor, I explicitly
> and directly answered him.  Believe me or not as you wish.
> aloha,
> Paul
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