[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

mirimir mirimir at riseup.net
Sat Oct 5 02:09:58 UTC 2013

On 10/04/2013 11:44 PM, adrelanos wrote:

> mirimir:
>> On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote:
>>> Juan Garofalo:
>>>>     So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with
>>>> the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there?
>>> if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being
>>> put into the situation of either complying with the law or facing
>>> criminal sanctions themselves is counter productive. if one is truly
>>> concerned about their anonymity, they shouldn't use a vpn. this is just
>>> another example of why.
>> With proper design and planning, VPN services can operate with no
>> logging, using diskless machines as openvpn servers, with user account
>> details coming from Tor hidden services. If the openvpn servers are
>> impounded, there is no information on them, except for a few bits in
>> memory. After the dust settles, operators can open again somewhere else.
>> See?
> And in which data center they can host their VPN service? One not
> compromised by NSA? Self-hosting? What would that cost? Are there such
> VPN services in reality?

That I don't know, having never operated a VPN service. LeaseWeb in
Netherlands seems popular. Also CyberBunker. Other possibilities are
providers that also allow Tor exit relays. But it's best to run your own
data centers.

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