[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

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mirimir:
> On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote:
> 
>> Juan Garofalo:
>>>     So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with
>>> the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there?
>>
>> if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being
>> put into the situation of either complying with the law or facing
>> criminal sanctions themselves is counter productive. if one is truly
>> concerned about their anonymity, they shouldn't use a vpn. this is just
>> another example of why.
> 
> With proper design and planning, VPN services can operate with no
> logging, using diskless machines as openvpn servers, with user account
> details coming from Tor hidden services. If the openvpn servers are
> impounded, there is no information on them, except for a few bits in
> memory. After the dust settles, operators can open again somewhere else.
> 
> See?

And in which data center they can host their VPN service? One not
compromised by NSA? Self-hosting? What would that cost? Are there such
VPN services in reality?