[tor-project] Fwd: Launching Ethics Guidelines

Virgil Griffith i at virgil.gr
Fri May 13 09:27:56 UTC 2016

Using my old CDN, Fastly.com, my costs were ~$2000 per month. Under the new
setup with 100TB.com (cheapest I could find) costs are $600 per month and
climbing.  It's unclear to me how you do it so cheaply.  Are you metered by
how much traffic you generate?  If you have suggestions for a host i
am interested---anything below $500 per month would be a godsend.

I have never harvested .onion addresses from a HSDir.  All I've ever done
is cache NXDOMAIN responses, which I've now stopped doing.  I also stopped
adding to the /sitemap.xml (which I was doing) because it made people upset.

I'm recognize that the logs angle as damaging the Tor brand.  I will add a
link to download TBB and disclaimer making it excruciatingly clear
onion.link is not part of Tor.

Thus far I can commit to each of the above.  Over the weekend I'll take a
closer look at this.


On Friday, 13 May 2016, Moritz Bartl <moritz at torservers.net> wrote:

> On 05/13/2016 07:53 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote:
> > As far as we know, the other Tor2Web sites do not log client connections.
> > Compromising on storing and selling user data so you can obtain some
> money for
> > operating the website goes against users' and our expectations of
> Tor2web, and
> > Tor's brand. Shutting down your Tor2web sites is the responsible
> decision if
> > you can't find another way for funding it.
> I do not have the time and energy to really contribute to this thread
> right now, but some data points: At least for onion.to, that is right:
> We do not collect logs. We host it at two locations; the total costs of
> running it are less than 30€ per month, which we pay from our own
> pockets. Which is totally fine. Adding third party trackers or
> advertising is out of the question. If I did not have a way to sustain
> it (which, again, is really cheap) I would simply shut it down. Virgil,
> if you need 30€/month to operate them and it would buy us an ethical and
> privacy-friendly service, I'm happy to pay you. Mentioning costs here
> seem to be simply an excuse. You didn't even ask or tried to raise it in
> donations.
> As far as I know, the other tor2web gateways (tor2web.org, blutmagie
> etc) do not log either.
> Also, there seems to be some (deliberate?) commingling between running a
> tor2web gateway and putting the discovered sites into a sitemap (which
> we also don't; we do allow search engine indexing of the individual
> sites though), and actively harvesting onions at HSDirs. There is
> clearly a difference, it is not the same thing.
> --
> Moritz Bartl
> https://www.torservers.net/
> _______________________________________________
> tor-project mailing list
> tor-project at lists.torproject.org <javascript:;>
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/attachments/20160513/efaa5817/attachment-0001.html>

More information about the tor-project mailing list