[tor-project] Exit probability

Virgil Griffith i at virgil.gr
Wed Jun 29 17:28:47 UTC 2016


If we want to make substantial headway outside of the anglosphere we'll
likely to have to adjust the outreach messaging.  Anarchist or explicitly
political movements are seen as socially destabilizing and thus generate
disproportionate pushback from The Man, and ergo many ISPs would rather not
touch it.

These are the approaches I've had success with in SE Asia:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-teachers/2015-October/000046.html
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-teachers/2015-October/000075.htm
<https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-teachers/2015-October/000075.html>

-V


On Wednesday, 29 June 2016, Roger Dingledine <arma at mit.edu
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arma at mit.edu');>> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 09:43:59AM -0400, David Goulet wrote:
> > Could we think of some outreach we could do maybe a blog post about the
> > importance of location diversity in Exits? That running relays in the US
> is
> > actually OK? or maybe just the fact that people have to stop using OVH
> (well
> > OVH has a data center now in Montreal so NA!) or Hetzner or Linode? Or
> since
> > Europe as a lot of countries thus multiple jurisdictions it's fine to
> have
> > 85%? (is it really true with EU laws?)
>
> One step that might be helpful would be doing research to find reasonable
> ISPs outside Europe who are amenable to running exit relays. With some
> advocacy effort, we might even find sysadmins or owners at these ISPs
> who want to help out, e.g. by offering things at-cost, or by donating
> some bandwidth, or some other contribution.
>
> For example, it might be more effective to do a blog post about these
> five ISPs we found who will do matching bandwidth donations for exit
> relays, compared to a more generic blog post that just identifies the
> problem and encourages people to fix it somehow.
>
> There's certainly a tradeoff between focusing attention on a small
> number of places, vs letting people find a huge variety of places, where
> that better diversity would lead to better resiliency and also better
> security for the network. But if the choice in reality is more like
> "focus attention on a small number of places, or make no real progress",
> then I would choose the former. :)
>
> --Roger
>
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