Determining geographical locations for a new exit relay would help most
I'm standing up a new exit relay on the VULTR network. How would a person go about determining which location is in most need of additional exit relay capacity? Available locations: https://www.vultr.com/locations/ * Miami, Florida * Chicago, Illinois * New York / New Jersey * Dallas, Texas * Seattle, Washington * Atlanta, Georgia * Los Angeles, California * Silicon Valley, California * (AU) Sydney, Australia * (Asia) Tokyo, Japan * (EU) Amsterdam, NL * (EU) London, UK * (EU) Paris, France * (EU) Frankfurt, DE Also, curious to hear people's thoughts on any potential jurisdictional arbitrage benefits to be gleaned by choosing a location other than ones country of residence or citizenship. For the sake of argument, consider a VULTR account opened by U.S. citizen residing in the U.S. Choopa LLC (VULTR parent company) is also a US based company. http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k5o8lvm2j/choopa-llc/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Seth,
I'm standing up a new exit relay on the VULTR network. How would a person go about determining which location is in most need of additional exit relay capacity?
thanks for taking network diversity into account when setting up new relays! It might be oversimplified but using compass with group by country ordered by consensus weight (or in your case exit probability) shows you where most of tor network capacity is currently located. The goal is to setup relays in new or rarely used locations. So by using compass your list would look like this, ordered from better to less good: * (AU) Sydney, Australia (0.01% CW) * (Asia) Tokyo, Japan (0.8% CW) * UK (4.6% CW) * US (10.1%) * NL (12.4% CW) * France (21.6%) * DE (25.7% CW) Note: the is a current snapshot and numbers change but AU or JP is better then DE (from a capacity divers. point of view) - this will also be the case in a week or a month. You might also want to consider the exit probability and use that in addition or instead of CW. I don't know if VULTR has multiple ASes but if they do you might also want to have a look at the group by AS results (if they allow you to choose). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVQ7F5AAoJEFv7XvVCELh052cP/j/ezacutRehF8V+G+JrsIkC a1v+yd8Equ8qGrbXM0r1ZccpOAPWphmV17jvhrDtOG/qDmC9thw6PITtOxhMgbk8 eZhzEJWBqaWGPuFhcqm3sJnFuDZ0mTqm4JeXRaGycDy5GhqQw0id6MoUc0NKI1if WkrFfSPwqTjEt3NIjE+fRaqbVguyTQpguoTYkePDobgOlNLUQa2hy/z3mYWNN2eS HxNGdnURVjSZep/TKRgsEht/+XdfPQKgKKwWOp3siXG6TS9wYwkIPobhXG931CGT qq0GpoZBp8b1UcYG2UL/DWUh3P9j2A9O+DwoP4IuE0I7XWyX7xnJQs+BcwvOassd Rrr2ELWq6TCnyyTN/QN4rXZ5ol+M8Bz3ILeTtCuHnzgUlWKzcqvYCgVa2E2trxh0 TpwIYKuKVNbLMab43TD3xcEBVcDM250T8UeJ5mNdRfzFupLhVH2eSN9Xk9iNaQYx Fmq8E6JXsTbAABkIfxYaR07FlDQcGrnZMsrgfIxoSqdZCbODYBLW1gfPJWjmtzaT pGChAZ71QzJ6CYGVbQjVTwvEnHZDnsVagnsbiEn7Bjq93h4rgQZuGqlzc+9tM+bK IC5Fs+X5/l17IxnPLPeYtoJOjgIq877eeycQVVxZrQHtG3+g2I0YCZYQU8hKk9sZ juC+W2Qd7XfOnHlSH5k7 =Hq2a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 01 May 2015 10:01:45 -0700, nusenu <nusenu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
It might be oversimplified but using compass with group by country ordered by consensus weight (or in your case exit probability) shows you where most of tor network capacity is currently located. The goal is to setup relays in new or rarely used locations.
So by using compass your list would look like this, ordered from better to less good:
* (AU) Sydney, Australia (0.01% CW) * (Asia) Tokyo, Japan (0.8% CW) * UK (4.6% CW) * US (10.1%) * NL (12.4% CW) * France (21.6%) * DE (25.7% CW) Note: the is a current snapshot and numbers change but AU or JP is better then DE (from a capacity divers. point of view) - this will also be the case in a week or a month.
You might also want to consider the exit probability and use that in addition or instead of CW.
I don't know if VULTR has multiple ASes but if they do you might also want to have a look at the group by AS results (if they allow you to choose).
Thanks for the breakdown, that helps. The only hitch with the Sydney and Toyko locations is that instead of 1000GB/mo of bandwidth, you only get 200GB/mo. Would it be better (all things considered) to go with the UK location at 1000GB/mo vs Tokyo or Sydney at 200GB/mo?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I would love to see some more nodes in Australia. I'm located in Perth and the speed of the network it horrible. Not usable for day to day internet which is unfortunate, hopefully it will pick up soon. I might look into setting up a node here as my only running one is located out of Australia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Mailvelope v0.13.1 Comment: https://www.mailvelope.com wsFcBAEBCAAQBQJVRIIACRC8Tq5FO2jmKgAABu4P/jW0c/LCiFdt4NPUsrZx geq8ZdMoHtMaIMVvm0xDiV0kkBrIWp/4QGfTp0zCgeuugdaixqoKkUPkF60k w6yiPNZZzj5TwxPSdnIlCyQp8l/jv2fagBEp7n3OO2qgfKol7BbsaGKhCagO 5rGoAdT8b/N6t3oX5pPzajkHqmFjv9ojK4qMyJsTiAZv2G9KsJ5HtpmquuJg w3evZqhodmKGH3xy+4zvCW6iIF6gBwx7zdtofHwxi4e1sifSnerMEU4j6Oau s+lw5PNm3uKfZA3j0gNXeI/OahQl1KVTyAMob9ZW7XR+Yr7AUAbOOAC005Ca z6RgmOOqK8gKcQzNjpOm8xYzYRiqoPrqr+yV85d6lBQ2yABzZjHXXe96/tYW Hp1TPEDu+wACv7JWAMcbC9wJd/vfkRBJNPWIVEsKSDw+HZ3dRBT6exym25q6 r4iQ1XjUznIi6W5sC4h6uvhDtwFr4P2AIvYp0fhIq5dPvaFzyX57oAlkPnJv /vhs8lrChrT3hIf1KFwYQ39E7Pu7gG0hXqLDYyKUztoKaKDb4/nvQKYUXVrq hLQBqxO0qX1aUOKbpxHKMrcIT66/EywXrV1iun2yOmarHxvFDrj8z6zRrEiA 7bapu03fXbiM3IsXUKAXyALVwref/LP/m0NX96+XNi8iG+j3moSAk9rfZ3LF 5V3s =UDT3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 2 May 2015 at 05:00, Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2015 10:01:45 -0700, nusenu <nusenu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
It might be oversimplified but using compass with group by country ordered by consensus weight (or in your case exit probability) shows you where most of tor network capacity is currently located. The goal is to setup relays in new or rarely used locations.
So by using compass your list would look like this, ordered from better to less good:
* (AU) Sydney, Australia (0.01% CW) * (Asia) Tokyo, Japan (0.8% CW) * UK (4.6% CW) * US (10.1%) * NL (12.4% CW) * France (21.6%) * DE (25.7% CW) Note: the is a current snapshot and numbers change but AU or JP is better then DE (from a capacity divers. point of view) - this will also be the case in a week or a month.
You might also want to consider the exit probability and use that in addition or instead of CW.
I don't know if VULTR has multiple ASes but if they do you might also want to have a look at the group by AS results (if they allow you to choose).
Thanks for the breakdown, that helps. The only hitch with the Sydney and Toyko locations is that instead of 1000GB/mo of bandwidth, you only get 200GB/mo.
Would it be better (all things considered) to go with the UK location at 1000GB/mo vs Tokyo or Sydney at 200GB/mo?
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On Sat, 02 May 2015 00:52:07 -0700, Geo Rift <tim.cochrane.laptop@gmail.com> wrote:
I would love to see some more nodes in Australia. I'm located in Perth and the speed of the network it horrible.
Tim, just deployed an exit node to Sydney location, feel free to test it out: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/E1E1059D8C41FC48B823C6F09348EA89C4D4C9...
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On Sat, 02 May 2015 00:52:07 -0700, Geo Rift < tim.cochrane.laptop@gmail.com> wrote:
I would love to see some more nodes in Australia. I'm located in Perth and the speed of the network it horrible.
Tim, just deployed an exit node to Sydney location, feel free to test it out:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/E1E1059D8C41FC48B823C6F09348EA89C4D4C9...
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You might also want to consider the exit probability and use that in addition or instead of CW.
I don't know if VULTR has multiple ASes but if they do you might also want to have a look at the group by AS results (if they allow you to choose).
Thanks for the breakdown, that helps. The only hitch with the Sydney and Toyko locations is that instead of 1000GB/mo of bandwidth, you only get 200GB/mo.
Would it be better (all things considered) to go with the UK location at 1000GB/mo vs Tokyo or Sydney at 200GB/mo?
Is there a specific reason why you limit yourself to vultr? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVRUN/AAoJEFv7XvVCELh0NEUP/ivTdXDkW5l3i/E3laRXH/gB E3M82GljSJlU2rMh1tlAQejaGkxXp+UTtmAQ/fpeiBvPWZ5GstfTeRt+06tVc0Gz Pz26NKP0e+yxc2zODhNjBPWMppJgklGAu1IY1/9j78DdJPUSwKE2q2CzZ/ro3YRv U/HEAcK31JklkmtNHWydbF3Wzw+C1shXGx+UmwK33L6Kn3S/iHIuUeieC27N3Yco OIBl0zit5bjeLQdSfz37WPhrxPkr3xKaGwmvDaNPDK2kz8X6yBAdARnWzdXnMXsr P3FTm7eywcdEm5DpU7RYzkLp4Gh1MO2vfTu3jhaJRd/wX0++L/vynfPlxTTNEsCj 3RcXpgdwidrK8+aCgSxG+WVgS91F2VQd+Md9iLxQRaF7aOtg7zJ3uB8wCzVMlCnJ mb7VTM4Kkam/1Ugtwtv5O8UHSFrulMyIUXiqlHMMjHLW+icjCDhPOe9F9TchyN+o vC/iYNxEEfgcG4bx7Xu3mS6cXzN11MD3sEm5V9nPvo9PVXV+/Mi9eK/PUGE0rUpX 88LNVx4ZHqgy5jyKUBDjQrm4yGcVUAg8QqzbL+rFUonIcCgUbhKGJ8o4PdPmVDh4 XS8RG4qYFvftkjeGQYgXWGMXfTPMiVAal55L+pG7EcP3LnASiyd5fr+EzqAIwEM8 jJKAnR08+dVcThPMOhH/ =9Z5S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, 02 May 2015 14:37:04 -0700, nusenu <nusenu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Is there a specific reason why you limit yourself to vultr?
Yes, there are several. * Price (hardware bang for the buck. SSD, 1000GB bw/mo in most locations. Starter pkg is $5/mo) * Features/usability (really like their control panel and website design. Snapshots are key, ability to re-deploy snapshots anywhere. Two factor auth with Yubikey.) * OpenBSD supported via custom ISO install feature (This limits the field quickly)
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* Price (hardware bang for the buck. SSD, 1000GB bw/mo in most locations. Starter pkg is $5/mo)
I'd say 7$ for 2TB/mo on 1GB RAM is expensive if you compare it with 100mbps unmetered and lets say you are able to saturate ~50% = ~30TB/mo (~50 mpbs* in one direction) for ~15$/mo with 1GB RAM (in HU, 0.6% CW). https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-January/001835.html 2TB/mo is not a lot of traffic, it translates to less than 4mpbs in one direction. ..but anyway thanks for adding more OpenBSD relays. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVRm3xAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0wIgP/3z3wc2CXxFgYuKCGT+r7WYk 3T7m7E/7d6+GuHKEgwUOQV/WsirnqMpzudAnk5lhuNwMWIbq9cUR30AMDCm6T9cR nItMgSBba40RHwsVZLlY0d4vcDS/3Zbn4nRtMUUr+RWrK3NGh3CAGbzOChPYfcMk jpWaTaggBYWVKhRCsKBvHJKc+7DUeLGwtQ5Wxc49KDfN39P5UfATFl8v2oFlL/hT GwxTDmyHRgpVxXRIfDJXAdxufnLSeOOJAxM+KDLkthl0qnWyDlkLQPJP9zTU/cbY bwo3ez/Bu+dQBpGh8oR0+6UiiW9smrgh0lTkOW1Q0OPurN5UE6X3JmM9Kbfng/BH 4kHoU++wVo7YFpUli5qP4geFqyc/VV7p+/QGn5hdZ93plgxF3V9pn5eeYp6OZSeQ 9NxE0RUE9lRi6ZQ0MQ4urVKnmFbXoYOpra2Cdk3P0Ng9AsiwFaAUc7DJRAoVZktM Xf/V6tUCqHBMGSRtLnZ4ig6T0dbaZz0jW3KIxn9XoTMfNzdcxB4KQfcSpz+PffQx o4wBR7dyBw0WxmLpKXefYpoounyUnf+sHbNle4PAwRAOwrGapSQyU5NtsteaMwWM 8rysm3K60qbdjSzuu6CaYyEwFcCbQYyTjn8KYkdeF3PjvBih+5YlgwHPrlpYjiJs +S8G0AZrKFLryfzQ4gsB =PcDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
OVH is pretty good value, CAD$2.99/mo for 1GB RAM and unlimited transfer at 100Mbps (it’s speed limited after 10,000GB) and both IPv4/6. However there are 424 OVH relays across 12 countries might not fit with your goal to add more diversity https://compass.torproject.org/#?exit_filter=all_relays&links&sort=cw&sort_r... <https://compass.torproject.org/#?exit_filter=all_relays&links&sort=cw&sort_reverse&country=&ases=AS16276&by_country&top=-1&by_as=false>
On May 3, 2015, at 2:50 PM, nusenu <nusenu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
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* Price (hardware bang for the buck. SSD, 1000GB bw/mo in most locations. Starter pkg is $5/mo)
I'd say 7$ for 2TB/mo on 1GB RAM is expensive if you compare it with 100mbps unmetered and lets say you are able to saturate ~50% = ~30TB/mo (~50 mpbs* in one direction) for ~15$/mo with 1GB RAM (in HU, 0.6% CW).
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-January/001835.html
2TB/mo is not a lot of traffic, it translates to less than 4mpbs in one direction.
..but anyway thanks for adding more OpenBSD relays.
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OVH is pretty good value,
CAD$2.99/mo for 1GB RAM and unlimited transfer at 100Mbps (it’s speed limited after 10,000GB) and both IPv4/6.
However there are 424 OVH relays across 12 countries might not fit with your goal to add more diversity
Yes, OVH AS is probably the worst place to add relays from a diversity pov since it is the AS with the highest CW fraction (>10%). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVRnX5AAoJEFv7XvVCELh0xgAQALsE+IL8PlQvbuIGmmVL0h44 dYTIAgm3fBQo1D0GyRPMXUIg2GuXZ4WqnbLh+5FYieS9cqqhbcuCvGJHlPpPTceB udrg8VpD+0Gg4gH99/hxlxaXlgcWkJf9tz2hOyxURpV8nWSNu7OXLQ2PuDbPEA87 Xy6PYgEGDO794MkTVNGdB2d3BhRNNMU4H3KfPfxy6hbIxUFqWcmWpiAdrAmhLh4z T0yGZEfoBmP8uRfXzZtqPjm7VDcl3+SRHN4398DgyiRAP7SaAwHFnvrvaetc7ixz PV+DkKIt4HZpLTfQcQx2GaGCcSlHxmBeHvTEtCGinPr+pR+lREFWWQMzhgzdZ+F5 0S9aftjbhfk3uyhkgwPYcOw582Q3TvKW27Rreoz/+XYClq4xn4ZYAjDwoMKHAbFe 9uuMU20jL9jVktzOYpD9o5pir4a0AKYvmI4KhL0QMPJtgrSw4uTx0GLMU2xXfI3W c6fWsmP7e2T8WuQb5I4GOI3y/1rYFZLHfidoMPAEmrG7G/nz24zlkn66mNcjvZ2I etGGYRzhNFicjcmpxhDsMBvdsprUJUyi4f//IlfIcfvf0l3ZiQnKbl/lIC2GkAHc HfE/c80eJuuZeLtBNE+t0h9m1PwcBbKAvN0z1QPkaWUWpPRON5LG5HnbjC4j8Vgk JALJyeyr/NWlHhBvDR8r =Z1Ih -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:50:25 -0700, nusenu <nusenu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
I'd say 7$ for 2TB/mo on 1GB RAM is expensive if you compare it with 100mbps unmetered and lets say you are able to saturate ~50% = ~30TB/mo (~50 mpbs* in one direction) for ~15$/mo with 1GB RAM (in HU, 0.6% CW).
Can't argue with that. The difference in annual cost ($60 vs $180 USD) is the key factor for me right now. Don't want to pay $180/yr out of pocket right now.
..but anyway thanks for adding more OpenBSD relays.
Aye, I'll be trying out your Ansible playbooks in a bit.
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..but anyway thanks for adding more OpenBSD relays.
Aye, I'll be trying out your Ansible playbooks in a bit.
Glad to hear. Let me know if you run into any issues. The way openfiles-max is set should definitely get some testing. Note that I changed the way tor is installed on OpenBSD today, since packages are outdated (0.2.5.10) ansible-relayor installs from ports now - which requires ports to be available on the system (see dependencies), but I'm not planing to keep that dependency for long (the role should take care of that as well but it will be opt-in since I don't want to mess with people's ports tree out of the box). See also: https://github.com/nusenu/ansible-relayor/issues/26 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVR0DlAAoJEFv7XvVCELh09KsP/1isBJ7H7CJ75fR2iPco15mS a0skStVQeCiAAELxpnV7asvxxGogre3M1B1wj3On04PVD4wOc51ZyJLFoRvEDi/f xUesc8vpJmetBlGuK4uZCtlxOa7kPKQu28mLTTT8PinRDncZj4JQpIYHoKbSTtgm 6+AxfY8rzGsbyyvIq645WewwXSyTNWQjM7Mapd33XGUja3hOdFCY1o0k4eKLAWpX tRprdRxktZF26TbLQOhKySOefIXb4HAivePC7UXbFxTned4RSgbeSPtvA5mHAb3V d4puJWfXWT/pBY+35iHFxJ/ZdCYudRcXgBQ2BT7AmWS3/baeLmHcyMbchVBEd5Bh fD43cSK7PAxsH6BTqeOXKrw1yy4WeFBrP4eXlUVIgKwlIPAP2abDs0BM8eCwlry6 DtZwWLACQjXDrf5kFxsThBJBEyQVza7vn7T7/25H2JJNH6l7RTaNe2j3/wbCWPo5 IrUbouQrp5Yz1v4ZnfiN/JE04VbnigX1AgKOoN5kppN90rW2kzE8eTCYjXdE26ma J3h4+zMjRcOGPdeRfnLmzMuJ3RTtrBhAvAG94EBag0Se6NiWloKLirwWE2nDXebe 43scAxOkm2jJ5m7RIlh+6Y1WFK4UMdNN7ivZkH3baUNdOM9SmgnBIxm47/Eosfo2 WsDcR4kuSGkByz5BXp9/ =czhc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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