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I don't know about that. The number of site that ban all Tor nodes (exits and non-exits alike) is relatively low compared to the number of websites that don't. The banning happens when trigger-happy sysadmins think that 1) IP address == user, and 2) that banning all Tor nodes stops only spammers. Neither are true, but like Thomas said they probably just downloaded a list and banned all the nodes and didn't think about the 2.4 million Tor users. I've run relays from my own IP address with very little problems to speak of. Certainly you don't want to run an exit on your IP, that's a different story.
Christopher, from another machine/IP, send a message to the admins of that forum and explain. Be polite, explain what error message you are seeing, and ask if your IP could be unbanned so that you can access their discussion forum as part of your work. You could also explain that Tor is an anonymity layer on top of TCP, and as your machine simply passes encrypted data through the Tor network and not out of it, it poses no risk of spam or abuse from anyone using Tor. If you feel that it's necessary, concisely explain what Tor is, pulling from descriptions on torproject.org. I think if your reasonable and work with them, you have a good chance of resolving this. If not, use a different IP for accessing the Apple forum. You can use an SSH tunnel, VPN, or a proxy if you need to.
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On 08/13/2014 04:00 AM, tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org wrote:
Don't run a relay from your own IP address. Pretty standard advice there sorry regardless if it's an exit or non-exit. I guess the people at Apple simply downloaded every Tor server IP and put no effort into reading the differences between types of relay because to be fair, they aren't paid to give a damn as long as it stops problems.
You could pop an email off to their customer support, but honestly I wouldn't get your hopes up with Apple.
-T
I've had similar issues in the UK running a middle relay from my home IP. For a while I couldn't access any NHS websites or any BBC media, news, iPlayer etc.
After reporting both and explaining they were unblocked some time later - I never received a definitive explanation. So yes as already suggested, notify them off the issue and politely explain where they can find out more about Tor. I found Twitter to be a surprisingly good channel for contacting the BBC tech guys.
Good luck getting it resolved,
Chris On 13 Aug 2014 18:22, "Jesse Victors" jvictors@jessevictors.com wrote:
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I don't know about that. The number of site that ban all Tor nodes (exits and non-exits alike) is relatively low compared to the number of websites that don't. The banning happens when trigger-happy sysadmins think that 1) IP address == user, and 2) that banning all Tor nodes stops only spammers. Neither are true, but like Thomas said they probably just downloaded a list and banned all the nodes and didn't think about the 2.4 million Tor users. I've run relays from my own IP address with very little problems to speak of. Certainly you don't want to run an exit on your IP, that's a different story.
Christopher, from another machine/IP, send a message to the admins of that forum and explain. Be polite, explain what error message you are seeing, and ask if your IP could be unbanned so that you can access their discussion forum as part of your work. You could also explain that Tor is an anonymity layer on top of TCP, and as your machine simply passes encrypted data through the Tor network and not out of it, it poses no risk of spam or abuse from anyone using Tor. If you feel that it's necessary, concisely explain what Tor is, pulling from descriptions on torproject.org. I think if your reasonable and work with them, you have a good chance of resolving this. If not, use a different IP for accessing the Apple forum. You can use an SSH tunnel, VPN, or a proxy if you need to.
Jesse V.
On 08/13/2014 04:00 AM, tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org wrote:
Don't run a relay from your own IP address. Pretty standard advice there sorry regardless if it's an exit or non-exit. I guess the people at Apple simply downloaded every Tor server IP and put no effort into reading the differences between types of relay because to be fair, they aren't paid to give a damn as long as it stops problems.
You could pop an email off to their customer support, but honestly I wouldn't get your hopes up with Apple.
-T
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OK, I'll get on the forum from another network and messaging an admin. I'll try explaining what Tor is in the hopes that they will at least consider unblocking non-exit relays (probably won't happen but it's worth trying).
Thanks.
On Aug 13, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Chris Whittleston csw34@cam.ac.uk wrote:
I've had similar issues in the UK running a middle relay from my home IP. For a while I couldn't access any NHS websites or any BBC media, news, iPlayer etc.
After reporting both and explaining they were unblocked some time later - I never received a definitive explanation. So yes as already suggested, notify them off the issue and politely explain where they can find out more about Tor. I found Twitter to be a surprisingly good channel for contacting the BBC tech guys.
Good luck getting it resolved,
Chris On 13 Aug 2014 18:22, "Jesse Victors" jvictors@jessevictors.com wrote:
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I don't know about that. The number of site that ban all Tor nodes (exits and non-exits alike) is relatively low compared to the number of websites that don't. The banning happens when trigger-happy sysadmins think that 1) IP address == user, and 2) that banning all Tor nodes stops only spammers. Neither are true, but like Thomas said they probably just downloaded a list and banned all the nodes and didn't think about the 2.4 million Tor users. I've run relays from my own IP address with very little problems to speak of. Certainly you don't want to run an exit on your IP, that's a different story.
Christopher, from another machine/IP, send a message to the admins of that forum and explain. Be polite, explain what error message you are seeing, and ask if your IP could be unbanned so that you can access their discussion forum as part of your work. You could also explain that Tor is an anonymity layer on top of TCP, and as your machine simply passes encrypted data through the Tor network and not out of it, it poses no risk of spam or abuse from anyone using Tor. If you feel that it's necessary, concisely explain what Tor is, pulling from descriptions on torproject.org. I think if your reasonable and work with them, you have a good chance of resolving this. If not, use a different IP for accessing the Apple forum. You can use an SSH tunnel, VPN, or a proxy if you need to.
Jesse V.
On 08/13/2014 04:00 AM, tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org wrote:
Don't run a relay from your own IP address. Pretty standard advice there sorry regardless if it's an exit or non-exit. I guess the people at Apple simply downloaded every Tor server IP and put no effort into reading the differences between types of relay because to be fair, they aren't paid to give a damn as long as it stops problems.
You could pop an email off to their customer support, but honestly I wouldn't get your hopes up with Apple.
-T
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I never had any problems accessing any Apple website via tor at all. That includes Software Updates, discussions, developer member area and forums, iTunes Connect, etc. Everything works just fine over Tor.
It seems that discussions.apple.com blocking Tor is new.
From 20+ years of experience in arguing with Apple I know that without filing a RDAR nobody listens. If you have access to the Apple Bugreporter: rdar://18008506
Best regards MacLemon
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