New relay on dynamic IP address
Hello, I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time? Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all? Cheers, -m
hi m, did you use the docs about Part 3: https://community.torproject.org/relay/setup/guard/debianubuntu/updates/ 3. Automatically reboot If you want to automatically reboot add the following at the the end of the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades: Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true"; - or do i misunderstand something? Regards David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:19 PM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello,
I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time?
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
Cheers,
-m
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Hey David, I don’t have unattended upgrades enabled since it’s a server I regularly access for other purposes, but I don’t see how this relates to a guardian relay running with a dynamic IP. Maybe you replied to the wrong message? :) -m
Il giorno 25 gen 2020, alle ore 02:04, David Poulsen <atuaruk@protonmail.com> ha scritto:
hi m, did you use the docs about Part 3:
https://community.torproject.org/relay/setup/guard/debianubuntu/updates/
3. Automatically reboot
If you want to automatically reboot add the following at the the end of the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades:
Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true";
- or do i misunderstand something?
Regards David
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:19 PM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello,
I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time?
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
Cheers,
-m
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 03:19:52PM +0100, Mario Costa wrote:
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
If your IP address doesn't change every day but only every now and then then yes, it's definitely a useful relay. Should the IP address change too often, your relay might loose its "guard" or even "stable" flag but I recommend you just see what will happen. I have a relay (6B185DEEB249E4BA6182ECA077530C45E98A6C5F) that's also just running at home with a dynamic IP address and it still has its "Stable" flag. -- OpenPGP Key: 47BC7DE83D462E8BED18AA861224DBD299A4F5F3 https://www.parckwart.de/pgp_key
Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all? I’m running a node like that for over 5 years. Currently it is a guard too. The IP address is relatively stable and the major interruptions are due to kernel/tor upgrades or modem losing connection without the address change. Even after those it recovers pretty fast. Unless you are expecting to see downtime a few times a week, go ahead. The node is also useful even if it is not having the guard flag yet.
However, if you’re planning to run a node from your home, consider a few things. Forget about running an exit node: you will experience a heavy overblocking and hostility. And any node will bring some level of harassment, because ignorance is widespread. A second thing is that from time to time someone is trying to DoS nodes. In those 5 years I’ve seen a few of those, so I assume the average is like once per year of operation. Just accept the inevitable reality of running a node at home: there will be a day or a week in which you will observe thousands connections coming to your PC, all cores suddenly running at 100% without no apparent reason &c. Treat it as a way to gain experience.
Thanks Jonathan, mpan and John. I still don’t understand what happens when the authorities see that my IP is dynamic. Will they prevent the relay from becoming a guard? I didn’t know about the DoS problem, that’s something I didn’t experience yet with my other, older relay. Maybe not being and exit helps. Cheers, -m
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 02:57, Jonathan Marquardt <mail@parckwart.de> ha scritto:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 03:19:52PM +0100, Mario Costa wrote:
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
If your IP address doesn't change every day but only every now and then then yes, it's definitely a useful relay.
Should the IP address change too often, your relay might loose its "guard" or even "stable" flag but I recommend you just see what will happen.
I have a relay (6B185DEEB249E4BA6182ECA077530C45E98A6C5F) that's also just running at home with a dynamic IP address and it still has its "Stable" flag. -- OpenPGP Key: 47BC7DE83D462E8BED18AA861224DBD299A4F5F3 https://www.parckwart.de/pgp_key _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 07:24, mpan <tor-1qnuaylp@mpan.pl> ha scritto:
Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all? I’m running a node like that for over 5 years. Currently it is a guard too. The IP address is relatively stable and the major interruptions are due to kernel/tor upgrades or modem losing connection without the address change. Even after those it recovers pretty fast. Unless you are expecting to see downtime a few times a week, go ahead. The node is also useful even if it is not having the guard flag yet.
However, if you’re planning to run a node from your home, consider a few things. Forget about running an exit node: you will experience a heavy overblocking and hostility. And any node will bring some level of harassment, because ignorance is widespread. A second thing is that from time to time someone is trying to DoS nodes. In those 5 years I’ve seen a few of those, so I assume the average is like once per year of operation. Just accept the inevitable reality of running a node at home: there will be a day or a week in which you will observe thousands connections coming to your PC, all cores suddenly running at 100% without no apparent reason &c. Treat it as a way to gain experience.
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Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 07:46, John Csuti <postmaster@coolcomputers.info> ha scritto:
The stable flag refers to your fingerprint being up for long lived circuits. Being on a dynamic up won’t change that. So in principle the stable flag means that the server is up and reach able for most of the time no matter what the address or IP may be.
Thanks, John Csuti
On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Jonathan Marquardt <mail@parckwart.de> wrote:
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That is exactly what will happen you will become a normal middle relay Thanks, John Csuti (216) 236-3309 https://www.coolcomputers.info/
On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Thanks Jonathan, mpan and John.
I still don’t understand what happens when the authorities see that my IP is dynamic. Will they prevent the relay from becoming a guard?
I didn’t know about the DoS problem, that’s something I didn’t experience yet with my other, older relay. Maybe not being and exit helps.
Cheers,
-m
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 02:57, Jonathan Marquardt <mail@parckwart.de> ha scritto:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 03:19:52PM +0100, Mario Costa wrote: Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
If your IP address doesn't change every day but only every now and then then yes, it's definitely a useful relay.
Should the IP address change too often, your relay might loose its "guard" or even "stable" flag but I recommend you just see what will happen.
I have a relay (6B185DEEB249E4BA6182ECA077530C45E98A6C5F) that's also just running at home with a dynamic IP address and it still has its "Stable" flag. -- OpenPGP Key: 47BC7DE83D462E8BED18AA861224DBD299A4F5F3 https://www.parckwart.de/pgp_key _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 07:24, mpan <tor-1qnuaylp@mpan.pl> ha scritto:
Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all? I’m running a node like that for over 5 years. Currently it is a guard too. The IP address is relatively stable and the major interruptions are due to kernel/tor upgrades or modem losing connection without the address change. Even after those it recovers pretty fast. Unless you are expecting to see downtime a few times a week, go ahead. The node is also useful even if it is not having the guard flag yet.
However, if you’re planning to run a node from your home, consider a few things. Forget about running an exit node: you will experience a heavy overblocking and hostility. And any node will bring some level of harassment, because ignorance is widespread. A second thing is that from time to time someone is trying to DoS nodes. In those 5 years I’ve seen a few of those, so I assume the average is like once per year of operation. Just accept the inevitable reality of running a node at home: there will be a day or a week in which you will observe thousands connections coming to your PC, all cores suddenly running at 100% without no apparent reason &c. Treat it as a way to gain experience.
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Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 07:46, John Csuti <postmaster@coolcomputers.info> ha scritto:
The stable flag refers to your fingerprint being up for long lived circuits. Being on a dynamic up won’t change that. So in principle the stable flag means that the server is up and reach able for most of the time no matter what the address or IP may be.
Thanks, John Csuti
On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Jonathan Marquardt <mail@parckwart.de> wrote:
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Dear Mario, In almost 2 years I've been running a middle relay from home, I have had about 15 ip changes. One time they came and replaced my equipment and it was down about 5 hours. It started back up with about 6 connections, but was back at a full 3000 in a few hours. I've never had a guard flag, even with my current 3+months tor uptime with the same ip address. I only run a terabyte a month through it, so maybe that's too little, though it does have the fast flag. The first 6 or 8 months before a new tor version came out, there was a lot more traffic than I wanted to handle, just to keep under my ISP's radar, so I had the config set up to turn off tor when the daily limit was reached, usually between 8 and 10 pm. Then it would start up again after midnight. I asked if this was still worth it, and the gurus said yes. So I'd say that a few ip changes are going to be small potatoes compared to turning the relay off for hours every night. So glad you are running a relay. "A chicken in every pot, and a relay in every house." --torix Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:19 PM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello,
I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time?
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
Cheers,
-m
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Torix, This is really useful. I forced an IP change and the relay lost the guardian flag. I guess that now the authorities know that it’s running on a dynamic IP connection and won’t assign a guard flag anymore. I was really surprised when the relay became a guard in about a week of uptime. By the way, I didn’t set a traffic limit. Hope this doesn’t upset my ISP, but my little RPi is happily talking with almost 4000 peers :) -m
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 14:41, torix@protonmail.com ha scritto:
Dear Mario,
In almost 2 years I've been running a middle relay from home, I have had about 15 ip changes. One time they came and replaced my equipment and it was down about 5 hours. It started back up with about 6 connections, but was back at a full 3000 in a few hours. I've never had a guard flag, even with my current 3+months tor uptime with the same ip address. I only run a terabyte a month through it, so maybe that's too little, though it does have the fast flag.
The first 6 or 8 months before a new tor version came out, there was a lot more traffic than I wanted to handle, just to keep under my ISP's radar, so I had the config set up to turn off tor when the daily limit was reached, usually between 8 and 10 pm. Then it would start up again after midnight. I asked if this was still worth it, and the gurus said yes. So I'd say that a few ip changes are going to be small potatoes compared to turning the relay off for hours every night.
So glad you are running a relay. "A chicken in every pot, and a relay in every house."
--torix
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:19 PM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello,
I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time?
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
Cheers,
-m
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Just reporting back after some time. Today I noticed that my relay running at home with a dynamic IP got a guard flag again. So it’s totally possible for a relay to become a guard even after the authorities notice that it has a dynamic IP address.It must be noted though that the IP address didn’t change since it lost the guard flag the first time. It looks like I had it wrong when I concluded that after the first IP change the relay wouldn’t became a guard anymore. For reference, the relay fingerprint is F942EE73F1B8E39125F617FA85E80E4C9E540A2E. -m
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 15:15, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> ha scritto:
Torix,
This is really useful. I forced an IP change and the relay lost the guardian flag. I guess that now the authorities know that it’s running on a dynamic IP connection and won’t assign a guard flag anymore. I was really surprised when the relay became a guard in about a week of uptime.
By the way, I didn’t set a traffic limit. Hope this doesn’t upset my ISP, but my little RPi is happily talking with almost 4000 peers :)
-m
Il giorno 27 gen 2020, alle ore 14:41, torix@protonmail.com ha scritto:
Dear Mario,
In almost 2 years I've been running a middle relay from home, I have had about 15 ip changes. One time they came and replaced my equipment and it was down about 5 hours. It started back up with about 6 connections, but was back at a full 3000 in a few hours. I've never had a guard flag, even with my current 3+months tor uptime with the same ip address. I only run a terabyte a month through it, so maybe that's too little, though it does have the fast flag.
The first 6 or 8 months before a new tor version came out, there was a lot more traffic than I wanted to handle, just to keep under my ISP's radar, so I had the config set up to turn off tor when the daily limit was reached, usually between 8 and 10 pm. Then it would start up again after midnight. I asked if this was still worth it, and the gurus said yes. So I'd say that a few ip changes are going to be small potatoes compared to turning the relay off for hours every night.
So glad you are running a relay. "A chicken in every pot, and a relay in every house."
--torix
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:19 PM, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello,
I started a new relay at home. I was really surprised to see it gain a Guard flag in about a week since it first came online. My first relay (on a VPS) became a Guard well over a month after I set it up. How can I assess what was different this time?
Also, I’m wondering what will happen when the dynamic IP changes. Sooner or later I’ll have a power outage or restart the modem. Last time my IP changed it happened overnight for no evident reason. Will this relay lose its flags? Is a really with a dynamic IP address useful at all?
Cheers,
-m
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Hi,
On 21 Feb 2020, at 20:21, Mario Costa <mario.costa@icloud.com> wrote:
Just reporting back after some time. Today I noticed that my relay running at home with a dynamic IP got a guard flag again. So it’s totally possible for a relay to become a guard even after the authorities notice that it has a dynamic IP address.It must be noted though that the IP address didn’t change since it lost the guard flag the first time.
It looks like I had it wrong when I concluded that after the first IP change the relay wouldn’t became a guard anymore.
For reference, the relay fingerprint is F942EE73F1B8E39125F617FA85E80E4C9E540A2E.
The guard flag depends on uptime and bandwidth. (IP address changes create downtime and reset bandwidth.) I really wouldn't worry about it too much. Clients have multiple guards, they'll switch to another one if yours goes down. T
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