Dear All, On March 5 I changed to the newest version 3.2.10 on a middle relay I run. I went away for a few days, checked today, and found that my traffic is down, and my connexions, which were around 2,000 since December, are now about 1,000. Consensus weight is still the same (about 450) as it has been before. And my throughput is down from 35G/day, hitting that max most days to about 23-26G/day. Don't know if this is because it is a better Tor and is filtering out extra crap now or not, but just thought I'd mention it, as the Tor version is the only thing that changed.\
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On 11 March 2018 at 02:50, torix@protonmail.com wrote:
Dear All, On March 5 I changed to the newest version 3.2.10 on a middle relay I run. I went away for a few days, checked today, and found that my traffic is down, and my connexions, which were around 2,000 since December, are now about 1,000. Consensus weight is still the same (about 450) as it has been before. And my throughput is down from 35G/day, hitting that max most days to about 23-26G/day. Don't know if this is because it is a better Tor and is filtering out extra crap now or not, but just thought I'd mention it, as the Tor version is the only thing that changed.
I have noticed this too, my connections and daily traffic have also dropped by about half, I dont pay attention to consensus though.
I am not an expert on the subject, I too was wondering if it was the DoS mitigation's???
Thanks.
Thanks, Gary; I was just wondering, since I think of mine as a typical small relay, and wondered if others had noticed the same differences.
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On 11 March 2018 at 02:50, torix@protonmail.com wrote:
Dear All, On March 5 I changed to the newest version 3.2.10 on a middle relay I run. I went away for a few days, checked today, and found that my traffic is down, and my connexions, which were around 2,000 since December, are now about 1,000. Consensus weight is still the same (about 450) as it has been before. And my throughput is down from 35G/day, hitting that max most days to about 23-26G/day. Don't know if this is because it is a better Tor and is filtering out extra crap now or not, but just thought I'd mention it, as the Tor version is the only thing that changed.
I have noticed this too, my connections and daily traffic have also dropped by about half, I dont pay attention to consensus though.
I am not an expert on the subject, I too was wondering if it was the DoS mitigation's???
Thanks.
Hello,
On 11 March 2018 at 22:02, torix@protonmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Gary; I was just wondering, since I think of mine as a typical small relay, and wondered if others had noticed the same differences.
Before December, my accountingmax was 3GB, I had to increase it to 8GB stop it from hibernating midday. Now it probably only uses about 3 or 4GB a day.
Again, I am not an expert, but I looked in to this on Relay Search. On the 2018-02-10 Tor version 3.3.2-alpha was released containing important DoS mitigation features and the number of users actually went up, then settled down a bit (under the 4 million mark it was earlier in the month). It wasn't until 2018-03-03 that several versions of Tor were released containing DoS mitigation back ports that the user numbers really lowered, now under the 3 million mark.
Of course I could be wrong and there could be other factors in play. Also for some unknown reason, when I checked yesterday Relay Search had no user data for 2018-02-28.
Thanks,
Gary
Hi,
I am curious if your relay is back on speed now. I experience the same thing. Since the latest update my two "fast" relay's (around 5100KB) have now dropped to half the speed and seem to go slower as time goes by. Processor is hardly used, memory is no issue, logs seem okay. My other two relay's where a bit slower already and didn't change much in that regard. I just doesn't feel right if donated capacity isn't used. Maybe I have to wait it out a bit longer, hence my question.
Edwin.
On 11.03.2018 03:50, torix@protonmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
On March 5 I changed to the newest version 3.2.10 on a middle relay I run. I went away for a few days, checked today, and found that my traffic is down, and my connexions, which were around 2,000 since December, are now about 1,000. Consensus weight is still the same (about 450) as it has been before. And my throughput is down from 35G/day, hitting that max most days to about 23-26G/day.
Don't know if this is because it is a better Tor and is filtering out extra crap now or not, but just thought I'd mention it, as the Tor version is the only thing that changed.
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Yes, I have experienced the same thing; my throughput is slower as well. Not only have I dropped from about 2,000 connexions to 1, 000; my rate has gone down as well: #vnstat -d 02/21/2018 16.83 GiB | 16.59 GiB | 33.42 GiB | 3.24 Mbit/s 02/22/2018 18.73 GiB | 18.49 GiB | 37.21 GiB | 3.61 Mbit/s 02/23/2018 17.38 GiB | 17.20 GiB | 34.58 GiB | 3.36 Mbit/s 02/24/2018 19.16 GiB | 18.94 GiB | 38.11 GiB | 3.70 Mbit/s 02/25/2018 15.63 GiB | 15.48 GiB | 31.11 GiB | 3.02 Mbit/s 02/26/2018 18.69 GiB | 18.49 GiB | 37.18 GiB | 3.61 Mbit/s 02/27/2018 19.28 GiB | 19.07 GiB | 38.35 GiB | 3.72 Mbit/s 02/28/2018 19.12 GiB | 18.92 GiB | 38.03 GiB | 3.69 Mbit/s 03/01/2018 19.07 GiB | 18.92 GiB | 37.99 GiB | 3.69 Mbit/s 03/02/2018 19.04 GiB | 18.89 GiB | 37.93 GiB | 3.68 Mbit/s 03/03/2018 17.46 GiB | 17.22 GiB | 34.68 GiB | 3.37 Mbit/s 03/04/2018 18.39 GiB | 18.16 GiB | 36.55 GiB | 3.55 Mbit/s 03/05/2018 15.90 GiB | 15.82 GiB | 31.72 GiB | 3.08 Mbit/s 03/06/2018 13.82 GiB | 13.83 GiB | 27.64 GiB | 2.68 Mbit/s 03/07/2018 18.25 GiB | 18.09 GiB | 36.34 GiB | 3.53 Mbit/s 03/08/2018 12.66 GiB | 12.64 GiB | 25.30 GiB | 2.46 Mbit/s 03/09/2018 11.74 GiB | 11.74 GiB | 23.48 GiB | 2.28 Mbit/s 03/10/2018 13.31 GiB | 13.32 GiB | 26.63 GiB | 2.59 Mbit/s
03/12/2018 13.59 GiB | 13.64 GiB | 27.24 GiB | 2.64 Mbit/s
I switched to the newest dos mitigation version 0.3.2.10 on 03/05. I also had an internet outage of about 10 hours 03/11, and got a new ip address, so this relay is not a good example, perhaps. My thought was to leave things for another 2 weeks, and if I still have this lower throughput, then I will up the RelayBandwidthRate and RelayBandwidthBurst settings, which has been my very rough way to attract more or fewer connexions. I try to keep it under my ISP's radar at 1 T a month.
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On March 13, 2018 3:51 PM, mytormail mytormail@posteo.net wrote:
Hi,
I am curious if your relay is back on speed now.
I experience the same thing. Since the latest update my two "fast"
relay's (around 5100KB) have now dropped to half the speed and seem to
go slower as time goes by. Processor is hardly used, memory is no issue,
logs seem okay. My other two relay's where a bit slower already and
didn't change much in that regard.
I just doesn't feel right if donated capacity isn't used. Maybe I have
to wait it out a bit longer, hence my question.
Edwin.
On 11.03.2018 03:50, torix@protonmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
On March 5 I changed to the newest version 3.2.10 on a middle relay I
run. I went away for a few days, checked today, and found that my
traffic is down, and my connexions, which were around 2,000 since
December, are now about 1,000. Consensus weight is still the same
(about 450) as it has been before. And my throughput is down from
35G/day, hitting that max most days to about 23-26G/day.
Don't know if this is because it is a better Tor and is filtering out
extra crap now or not, but just thought I'd mention it, as the Tor
version is the only thing that changed.
--Torix
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On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:51, mytormail mytormail@posteo.net wrote:
I just doesn't feel right if donated capacity isn't used.
Oh, but your relay's spare capacity *is* used. Just not the way you think.
A congested relay is a slow and unstable relay.
A relay with extra capacity has lower latency, and can deal with unexpected traffic peaks.
We expect relays to use 30% - 60% of their capacity. But I think we'd like 10% - 20% for the best latency.
Also, the network is still adjusting after the bandwidth authorities being down for a few days, and a million extra clients leaving the network. So it might take a few weeks for bandwidth to balance out.
T
On 14.03.2018 03:56, teor wrote:
On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:51, mytormail mytormail@posteo.net wrote:
I just doesn't feel right if donated capacity isn't used.
Oh, but your relay's spare capacity *is* used. Just not the way you think.
Hi teor,
Thanks for your reassuring words. :) I just wait a few weeks and see what happens. DoS mitigation will have it's impact I guess. One of my relays has a lot circuits rejected compared to my other relays:
"DoS mitigation since startup: 79258 circuits rejected, 14 marked addresses. 701 connections closed. 1287 single hop clients refused." Six hours after the upgrade it rejected 56722 circuits already.. So it seems to have a big impact indeed.
Regards,
Edwin.
Thanks; this was a really helpful reply; when the electricity goes off, one tends to check one's own plug rather than think the main transformer just died. Especially the capacity/latency part; I would never have gotten that by myself.
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On March 13, 2018 10:56 PM, teor teor2345@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:51, mytormail mytormail@posteo.net wrote:
I just doesn't feel right if donated capacity isn't used.
Oh, but your relay's spare capacityis used.
Just not the way you think.
A congested relay is a slow and unstable relay.
A relay with extra capacity has lower latency, and can deal with
unexpected traffic peaks.
We expect relays to use 30% - 60% of their capacity.
But I think we'd like 10% - 20% for the best latency.
Also, the network is still adjusting after the bandwidth authorities
being down for a few days, and a million extra clients leaving the
network. So it might take a few weeks for bandwidth to balance
out.
T
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