I'm reconfiguring things and decided to move a relay from an old laptop to a Raspberry Pi. I tried it on a Pi Zero W, which is very cheap but also pretty slow, and it just didn't work. Now I'm trying it on a Pi Four (which has four CPUs and two gigs of RAM) and so far it's working, though it's not moving as much traffic as on the laptop. There I was doing about 25 gigs a day, and so far now I'm doing about four or five with the same configuration.
Anyone else running a relay on a Pi? It's cheap and pretty easy to set up, even if it turns out not to be an enormous contribution to the network.
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Quoting William Denton (2019-09-10 02:16:30)
I'm reconfiguring things and decided to move a relay from an old laptop to a Raspberry Pi. I tried it on a Pi Zero W, which is very cheap but also pretty slow, and it just didn't work. Now I'm trying it on a Pi Four (which has four CPUs and two gigs of RAM) and so far it's working, though it's not moving as much traffic as on the laptop. There I was doing about 25 gigs a day, and so far now I'm doing about four or five with the same configuration.
Anyone else running a relay on a Pi? It's cheap and pretty easy to set up, even if it turns out not to be an enormous contribution to the network.
sure, there are a lot of people doing that. the recent thread about updating tor recommended that we remind operators that raspbian supports tor just fine.
assuming you're talking about [0], it looks like the consensus weight has just ramped up. you might need to wait a little bit longer for the usage to stabilize. you might also want to increase the RelayBandwidthBurst. IIRC, 5 Mb/s is a little low for a Pi 4.
[0] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/C14CE6C2145688B640EB6457F39C1...
On Sep 9, 2019, at 19:16, William Denton wtd@pobox.com wrote:
Now I'm trying it on a Pi Four (which has four CPUs and two gigs of RAM) and so far it's working, though it's not moving as much traffic as on the laptop.
From what I have read about the Pi 4, heat is a big issue. If you're not doing something to cool it, your CPU speed is likely being throttled due to overheating. Also, I do not think that Tor will make effective use of the additional cores. I know a lot of folks run relays on Raspberry Pi devices, but I doubt they are great performers. (I run Tor on a number of Pi's, from Zero W's to 3's, but they're location hidden servers so I don't know how well they work as relays.)
--Ron
On 10 September 2019, ronqtorrelays@risley.net wrote:
From what I have read about the Pi 4, heat is a big issue. If you're not doing something to cool it, your CPU speed is likely being throttled due to overheating.
I'm not doing any cooling except for not having it in case. I'm in Canada, and with winter coming I can leave it hanging inside a window, and that'll cool it down some.
The speed on the relay has picked up to about a quarter of what it was (so about six gigs a day), and I'll wait and see if it continues to increase, and then maybe fiddle with the config.
So, if a Pi is cheap to buy and easy to use and maintain, I'm happy to use it for a relay, even if it's not a major contributor to the network.
Bill -- William Denton :: Toronto, Canada --- Listening to Art: https://listeningtoart.org/ https://www.miskatonic.org/ --- GHG.EARTH: http://ghg.earth/ Caveat lector. --- STAPLR: http://staplr.org/
Over the last month, I've been benchmarking the Raspberry Pi 4 on a fiber 1 Gbps up/down connection with the hope I could utilize the full connection throughput.
TDLR: Each tor instance per CPU core maxes out at ~ 6 MB/s. I was able to get two instances (ORPort 80 and 443) maxed out concurrently at ~ 6 MB/s with 1 IP address using the built-in ethernet port.
I have a desktop with Intel CPU, 24 cores, around 3.5 Ghz, and it's able to max out around ~25 MB/s behind the same switch, router, and fiber 1 Gbps up/down connection, which shows the connection is capable of more bandwidth, but the Raspberry Pi 4 is the bottleneck. The benchmarking methodology that I used was to set the Tor Browser to pin to my relay as either entry or middle node, create multiple large file downloads through the relay using various other exit nodes, until my relay throughput stopped increasing, as shown through nyx. The ~6 MB/s was steady for 10 minutes to ensure it was the bottleneck. I was able to replicate these results at various times of day and various days of the week. htop also showed the CPU core at maximum utilization and periodically, it would show all 4 of the cores go busy for ~10-15 seconds due to multiple tor process instances and then back to only 1-2 cores busy (depending on whether I had 1 or 2 tor instances maxed out on bandwidth). I wasn't sure what to make of these results.
I did frequently encounter an open issue w/tor but assumed it had no impact on the throughput of the relay: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/31136
The Raspberry Pi 4 CPU does overheat fairly quickly and was getting throttled so I had to use a fan, which does keep the CPU temperature cooler, I have it set to and it does stay under 60 C rather than the throttling around 80+C. For the fan, I'm using https://learn.pimoroni.com/tutorial/sandyj/getting-started-with-fan-shim. For the case I'm using with the fan: https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/pibow. For storage in the Raspberry Pi 4, I'm using this sdcard: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Extreme-microSD-Adapter/dp/B07FCMKK5X. For power, I'm using the standard Raspberry Pi 4 power supply: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/type-c-power-supply/
Suggested next steps would be to sort of there are any other steps to further tune the Raspberry Pi 4. Example: Some of the linux settings: https://www.mail-archive.com/or-talk@freehaven.net/msg14159.html I do plan to write this up more formally and post somewhere in the future, but in the mean time, wanted to share here so others can reference and help provide feedback if there are further improvements to be made on the raspberry pi 4. I'm open to any other thoughts/suggestions/comments on how to get more throughput running a tor relay node on the Raspberry Pi 4.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:50 PM, William Denton wtd@pobox.com wrote:
On 10 September 2019, ronqtorrelays@risley.net wrote:
From what I have read about the Pi 4, heat is a big issue. If you're not doing something to cool it, your CPU speed is likely being throttled due to overheating.
I'm not doing any cooling except for not having it in case. I'm in Canada, and with winter coming I can leave it hanging inside a window, and that'll cool it down some.
The speed on the relay has picked up to about a quarter of what it was (so about six gigs a day), and I'll wait and see if it continues to increase, and then maybe fiddle with the config.
So, if a Pi is cheap to buy and easy to use and maintain, I'm happy to use it for a relay, even if it's not a major contributor to the network.
Bill
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Despite the OS running from a memory card I have been delighted how stable my Pi3s have been for VPN and routing to my office and others tasks I give them They just sit there quietly doing their stuff and don't need needs rebooting. G3WIP@piaware:~ $ w 16:43:50 up 385 days, 2:34, 3 user, load average: 0.58, 0.53, 0.47
-----Original Message----- From: tor-relays tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org On Behalf Of usetor.wtf Sent: 13 September 2019 15:40 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Running on a Raspberry Pi
Over the last month, I've been benchmarking the Raspberry Pi 4 on a fiber 1 Gbps up/down connection with the hope I could utilize the full connection throughput.
TDLR: Each tor instance per CPU core maxes out at ~ 6 MB/s. I was able to get two instances (ORPort 80 and 443) maxed out concurrently at ~ 6 MB/s with 1 IP address using the built-in ethernet port.
I have a desktop with Intel CPU, 24 cores, around 3.5 Ghz, and it's able to max out around ~25 MB/s behind the same switch, router, and fiber 1 Gbps up/down connection, which shows the connection is capable of more bandwidth, but the Raspberry Pi 4 is the bottleneck. The benchmarking methodology that I used was to set the Tor Browser to pin to my relay as either entry or middle node, create multiple large file downloads through the relay using various other exit nodes, until my relay throughput stopped increasing, as shown through nyx. The ~6 MB/s was steady for 10 minutes to ensure it was the bottleneck. I was able to replicate these results at various times of day and various days of the week. htop also showed the CPU core at maximum utilization and periodically, it would show all 4 of the cores go busy for ~10-15 seconds due to multiple tor process instances and then back to only 1-2 cores busy (depending on whether I had 1 or 2 tor instances maxed out on bandwidth). I wasn't sure what to make of these results.
I did frequently encounter an open issue w/tor but assumed it had no impact on the throughput of the relay: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/31136
The Raspberry Pi 4 CPU does overheat fairly quickly and was getting throttled so I had to use a fan, which does keep the CPU temperature cooler, I have it set to and it does stay under 60 C rather than the throttling around 80+C. For the fan, I'm using https://learn.pimoroni.com/tutorial/sandyj/getting-started-with-fan-shim. For the case I'm using with the fan: https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/pibow. For storage in the Raspberry Pi 4, I'm using this sdcard: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Extreme-microSD-Adapter/dp/B07FCMKK5X. For power, I'm using the standard Raspberry Pi 4 power supply: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/type-c-power-supply/
Suggested next steps would be to sort of there are any other steps to further tune the Raspberry Pi 4. Example: Some of the linux settings: https://www.mail-archive.com/or-talk@freehaven.net/msg14159.html I do plan to write this up more formally and post somewhere in the future, but in the mean time, wanted to share here so others can reference and help provide feedback if there are further improvements to be made on the raspberry pi 4. I'm open to any other thoughts/suggestions/comments on how to get more throughput running a tor relay node on the Raspberry Pi 4.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:50 PM, William Denton wtd@pobox.com wrote:
On 10 September 2019, ronqtorrelays@risley.net wrote:
From what I have read about the Pi 4, heat is a big issue. If you're not doing something to cool it, your CPU speed is likely being throttled due to overheating.
I'm not doing any cooling except for not having it in case. I'm in Canada, and with winter coming I can leave it hanging inside a window, and that'll cool it down some.
The speed on the relay has picked up to about a quarter of what it was (so about six gigs a day), and I'll wait and see if it continues to increase, and then maybe fiddle with the config.
So, if a Pi is cheap to buy and easy to use and maintain, I'm happy to use it for a relay, even if it's not a major contributor to the network.
Bill
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