Good evening, Following up with a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to set up exit nodes in Australia, for those who are interested, there are already seven exit nodes in Australia per https://hackertarget.com/tor-exit-node-visualization/ . I have also contacted RIMU Hosting, which has servers in Australia, and they said "As an account holder under our terms of use, you would be directly responsible for all content in and out of your server. In general that is not possible to do with a tor exist node, so we are not a good fit for that use case." Make your day great, Isaac Grover, Senior I.T. Consultant Aileron I.T. - "Practical & Proactive I.T. Solutions" O: 715-377-0440<tel:715-425-0440>, F:715-690-1029<tel:715-690-1029>, W: www.aileronit.com<http://www.aileronit.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/IsaacGrover/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqrwZNFKdR-guKtuQzFPObQ
On 5 Sep 2018, at 12:30 pm, Isaac Grover, Aileron I.T. <igrover@aileronit.com> wrote:
Good evening,
Following up with a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to set up exit nodes in Australia, for those who are interested, there are already seven exit nodes in Australia per https://hackertarget.com/tor-exit-node-visualization/ .
I run 3 exits in Australia, my main relay fingerprint is 262E84A99F53AE1F6860267F7C5DA5B96E57A46D. They’re all nicknamed govtis. Two are in Sydney and one is in Adelaide. I haven’t had any issues running these relays. I’m also unconcerned about the potential Access Bill passing into law. There’s going to be a general election before it’s even debated in both houses, and we may have an entirely new government by that time.
Isaac Grover, Aileron I.T.:
there are already seven exit nodes in Australia per https://hackertarget.com/tor-exit-node-visualization/ .
site note: that 3th party site sources its data from another 3th party site, maybe it is better to use something closer to to source, you can get the list of exits in AU via an atlas / RS search: https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/country:au%20flag:exit%20runni... btw: due to the high amount of off-list spam I'm getting in response to emails I'm sending to this list all off-list emails to my -lists address will automatically be marked as read, please do not send me off-list emails to my -lists address. -- https://twitter.com/nusenu_ https://mastodon.social/@nusenu
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 09:45:00PM +0000, nusenu wrote:
due to the high amount of off-list spam I'm getting in response to emails I'm sending to this list all off-list emails to my -lists address will automatically be marked as read, please do not send me off-list emails to my -lists address.
Solved that with riseup alias + rules features -- regards, natus
I have also contacted RIMU Hosting, which has servers in Australia, and they said "As an account holder under our terms of use, you would be directly responsible for all content in and out of your server. In general that is not possible to do with a tor exist node, so we are not a good fit for that use case."
Hosters like this are retarded making no sense. So they're in turn "directly responsible" to their upstream for all their net in/out? Even though clear custom is ISP exception. What about all the forums they host? Are they going to shut them along with tor exits as being not responsible too? So they only sell one way outbound publishing services, on boxes that are never cracked? Or only "personal" hosting? Many ISP is legally laughable FUD excuses like above. And they should be called out and educated on it. Try asking if they allow hosting resale, onion hosting, cryptocurrency nodes, overlay / messaging nodes, I2P, bittorrent trackers, free speech, etc... And responsible for what?
They have to take care of the abuse mails, normally a real human will doing this job and this costs money. Companies want to make money, these costs and the possible reputation costs (people get upset if someone tries to hack their server/computer/hamster) is a really good reason to refuse you as a client. We would need at least get rid of the botnets within Tor to change this.
On 17. Sep 2018, at 09:06, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
I have also contacted RIMU Hosting, which has servers in Australia, and they said "As an account holder under our terms of use, you would be directly responsible for all content in and out of your server. In general that is not possible to do with a tor exist node, so we are not a good fit for that use case."
Hosters like this are retarded making no sense. So they're in turn "directly responsible" to their upstream for all their net in/out? Even though clear custom is ISP exception. What about all the forums they host? Are they going to shut them along with tor exits as being not responsible too? So they only sell one way outbound publishing services, on boxes that are never cracked? Or only "personal" hosting? Many ISP is legally laughable FUD excuses like above. And they should be called out and educated on it. Try asking if they allow hosting resale, onion hosting, cryptocurrency nodes, overlay / messaging nodes, I2P, bittorrent trackers, free speech, etc... And responsible for what? _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
these costs
They didn't hint anything about money, they said denied with "responsible" hint to possible legal fake news. If all they care about is money, they could charge more to cover it, freedom is a profitable business model. What close minded ISPs like this care about is refusing, on FUD / for control, that which may actually be quite legally possible for them to do.
reputation costs
So these ISPs get a bad reputation mark on the list of bad isp's, forums, lists, etc. Explore the possible.
On 17. Sep 2018, at 10:25, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
these costs
You do not know who much abuse you get. How should they calculate it? Even if they can calculate it, there is no special Tor exit tariff out there. So they bill you per hour? Thats all not really working ...
They didn't hint anything about money, they said denied with "responsible" hint to possible legal fake news. If all they care about is money, they could charge more to cover it, freedom is a profitable business model. What close minded ISPs like this care about is refusing, on FUD / for control, that which may actually be quite legally possible for them to do.
reputation costs
So these ISPs get a bad reputation mark on the list of bad isp's, forums, lists, etc.
No, they don’t. We (the Tor people) are a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction. Nobody really cares about us. Just visit an Australian ISP. They have 1 Million websites hosted, who cares about 2-3 people complaining they do not host Tor exists?
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