On January 18, 2018 3:39:22 PM EST, niftybunny <abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net> wrote:

exit or guard?

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On 18. Jan 2018, at 21:37, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited bandwidth usage at a reasonable cost monthly?

Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.

Country is of little importance.

Thanks. --

Thanks,

Fabian S.

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Exit, specifically I like to run a reduced reduced policy. -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

niftybunny:

online.net <http://online.net/> trabia.com <http://trabia.com/> (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more. https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md g -- 34A6 0A1F F8EF B465 866F F0C5 5D92 1FD1 ECF6 1682

You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech. Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists. Enjoy your stay. Markus

On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George" <george@queair.net> wrote:

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niftybunny:

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online.net <http://online.net> trabia.com <http://trabia.com> (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.

https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md

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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the following dialog going:

" Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. Thank you.

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Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM Hello,

Thanks for your ticket. Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will reported accordingly.

I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal for any further information.

Best regards,

Flavio Online / Scaleway Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW ! https://careers.scaleway.com/

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Fabian.santiago@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:

1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that i am a tor node. 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be addressed to me directly as needed.

will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank you. "

so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by "legal activities"? Thanks.

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Thanks,

Fabian S.

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On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:

On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:

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You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists. Enjoy your stay.

Markus

How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.

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On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George" <george@queair.net> wrote:

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niftybunny:

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online.net <http://online.net> trabia.com <http://trabia.com> (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.

https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md

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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the following dialog going:

" Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. Thank you.

****************************************

Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM Hello,

Thanks for your ticket. Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will reported accordingly.

I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal for any further information.

Best regards,

Flavio Online / Scaleway Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW ! https://careers.scaleway.com/

****************************

Fabian.santiago@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:

1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that i am a tor node. 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be addressed to me directly as needed.

will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank you. "

so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by "legal activities"? Thanks.

--

Thanks,

Fabian S.

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Uggh, monthly recurring Bitcoin payments sounds painful. Nah. Maybe not a good idea then with online.net. they seem to offer vps' in Paris and Amsterdam and I have no idea what their LE would do when handed my info. So forget it. Ok, any decently priced unmetered providers with servers in the US? I am in the US. I'll check out the csv someone mentioned as well. Thanks. They also just added this response: " Flavio Pastore wrote:  Hello, Thanks for providing us more information about what services you're going to use in your server. By the way, it is very difficult to give you an exhaustive reply in advance, there is not a full text explaining what can be considered as illegal and what legal instead. But we ensure to apply the EU law as general set of rules, and the French law as specific set of rules. Besides, it is impossible to give you all details about that unfortunately. Finally , regarding the exit policy, it depends on the abuse and our security team treats case by case according to the specific abuse committed.  Best regards, " Thanks again everyone. -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

Okay, you are from the US. Tor is legal in the US and legal in EU. You should be fine. I would not recommend running a Tor Exit if you are from Russia, UAE or Turkey. I used to have 20 Exists with Online.net <http://online.net/> and I got lots of abuse but they were fine after verifying me. And by the way, you dont have much choice with traffic flat and Tor exit friendly anyway. Markus

On 19. Jan 2018, at 01:20, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:

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On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:

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You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists. Enjoy your stay.

Markus

How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.

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On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George" <george@queair.net> wrote:

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niftybunny:

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online.net <http://online.net> trabia.com <http://trabia.com> (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.

https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md

...

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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the following dialog going:

" Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. Thank you.

****************************************

Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM Hello,

Thanks for your ticket. Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will reported accordingly.

I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal for any further information.

Best regards,

Flavio Online / Scaleway Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW ! https://careers.scaleway.com/

****************************

Fabian.santiago@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:

1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that i am a tor node. 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be addressed to me directly as needed.

will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank you. "

so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by "legal activities"? Thanks.

--

Thanks,

Fabian S.

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Uggh, monthly recurring Bitcoin payments sounds painful. Nah.

Maybe not a good idea then with online.net. they seem to offer vps' in Paris and Amsterdam and I have no idea what their LE would do when handed my info. So forget it.

Ok, any decently priced unmetered providers with servers in the US? I am in the US.

I'll check out the csv someone mentioned as well. Thanks.

They also just added this response:

" Flavio Pastore wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for providing us more information about what services you're going to use in your server.

By the way, it is very difficult to give you an exhaustive reply in advance, there is not a full text explaining what can be considered as illegal and what legal instead.

But we ensure to apply the EU law as general set of rules, and the French law as specific set of rules.

Besides, it is impossible to give you all details about that unfortunately.

Finally , regarding the exit policy, it depends on the abuse and our security team treats case by case according to the specific abuse committed.

Best regards, "

Thanks again everyone. --

Thanks,

Fabian S.

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Good Man! I had forty and not one waterboarding or letter. Rob

On January 18, 2018 7:13:42 PM EST, I <beatthebastards@inbox.com> wrote:

They mean that what you are intending to do on their servers should be within the law.

Rob

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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have

the

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following dialog going:

" Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. Thank you.

****************************************

Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM Hello,

Thanks for your ticket. Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will reported accordingly.

I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal for any further information.

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Agreed. Thanks. -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

Oh really, Maybe I meet no problem because I have 2 middle-relay and 4 Fallback relay, Thanks for the info Fabian. Happy hunting :) /anders Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------- Original Message -------- On January 19, 2018 5:31 PM, niftybunny <abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net> wrote:

OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes over. They hate us with every pore in their bodies.

Source: Called and e-mailed them a few times over the last 3 years.

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On 19. Jan 2018, at 17:25, Anders Burmeister <anders.burmeister@protonmail.ch> wrote:

Will recommend OVH.ie, running 6 relays in 5 different countries. /Anders

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-------- Original Message -------- On January 18, 2018 9:37 PM, Fabian A. Santiago <fsantiago@garbage-juice.com> wrote:

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Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited bandwidth usage at a reasonable cost monthly?

Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.

Country is of little importance.

Thanks.

Thanks,

Fabian S.

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Besides the abuse mails. Am I the only one who gets 100s of abuse mails a day?

On 20. Jan 2018, at 00:30, I <beatthebastards@inbox.com> wrote:

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OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes over. They hate us with every pore in their bodies

If you ask them they don't but if you just get on with it apparently they don't notice.

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