Hello, During the last Tor meeting I asked some people about the Tor t-shirt situation and the big delays to processing and response and it seems that the situation has been resolved and person eligible for a t-shirt have either been notified or have already received them. Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already? Are there still people that are still waiting? Thank to everyone running/run Tor relays. Cheers, ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
Hi, how can i buy this t-shirt ? regards TorGate
Am 20.10.2017 um 21:37 schrieb Vasilis <andz@torproject.org>:
Hello,
During the last Tor meeting I asked some people about the Tor t-shirt situation and the big delays to processing and response and it seems that the situation has been resolved and person eligible for a t-shirt have either been notified or have already received them.
Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already? Are there still people that are still waiting?
Thank to everyone running/run Tor relays.
Cheers, ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
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Hi, TorGate:
Hi, how can i buy this t-shirt ?
By donating to the Torproject: https://donate.torproject.org Cheers, ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
Hi, my relays are coming up in the next month :-) this relays are 2 vm-machines with the latest debian an the latest stable tor. But is 25MB bandwith enough to an exit ?
Am 20.10.2017 um 23:01 schrieb Vasilis <andz@torproject.org>:
Hi,
TorGate:
Hi, how can i buy this t-shirt ?
By donating to the Torproject: https://donate.torproject.org
Cheers, ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
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TorGate:
Hi, my relays are coming up in the next month :-) this relays are 2 vm-machines with the latest debian an the latest stable tor. But is 25MB bandwith enough to an exit ?
25 Mbit/s or 25 MB/s (whichever you meant) is actually quite good bandwidth for an exit relay look at blutmagie (http://torstatus.blutmagie.de) for some bandwidth stats. Thanks for running relays! ~Vasilis -- Fingerprint: 8FD5 CF5F 39FC 03EB B382 7470 5FBF 70B1 D126 0162 Pubkey: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5FBF70B1D1260162
On Oct 20, 2017 14:38, "Vasilis" <andz@torproject.org> wrote: Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already? What is the criteria for said eligibility?
Hi, Regarding the shirts: https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html -- Sincerely yours / M.f.G. / Sincères salutations Sebastian Urbach --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) Am 20. Oktober 2017 21:46:46 schrieb Tyler Johnson <tylrcjhnsn@gmail.com>:
On Oct 20, 2017 14:38, "Vasilis" <andz@torproject.org> wrote:
Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already?
What is the criteria for said eligibility?
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Thats a god idea :-)
Am 20.10.2017 um 22:18 schrieb Sebastian Urbach <sebastian@urbach.org>:
Hi,
Regarding the shirts:
https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html -- Sincerely yours / M.f.G. / Sincères salutations
Sebastian Urbach
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Am 20. Oktober 2017 21:46:46 schrieb Tyler Johnson <tylrcjhnsn@gmail.com>:
On Oct 20, 2017 14:38, "Vasilis" <andz@torproject.org> wrote:
Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already?
What is the criteria for said eligibility?
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To add on this, if my Tor relay was restarted for a reason (resets downtime) but previously had ~50 days uptime, if I get the remaining 10 days am I eligible? Or must it be at least 60 days of continuous uptime? Because I had 50 days, so if I need to wait another 2 months that’ll be depressing
On Oct 20, 2017, at 9:48 PM, TorGate <torgate@linux-hus.dk> wrote:
Thats a god idea :-)
Am 20.10.2017 um 22:18 schrieb Sebastian Urbach <sebastian@urbach.org>:
Hi,
Regarding the shirts:
https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html -- Sincerely yours / M.f.G. / Sincères salutations
Sebastian Urbach
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Am 20. Oktober 2017 21:46:46 schrieb Tyler Johnson <tylrcjhnsn@gmail.com>:
On Oct 20, 2017 14:38, "Vasilis" <andz@torproject.org> wrote:
Has everyone eligible for a Tor t-shirt got one already?
What is the criteria for said eligibility?
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Hey!
To add on this, if my Tor relay was restarted for a reason (resets downtime) but previously had ~50 days uptime, if I get the remaining 10 days am I eligible? Or must it be at least 60 days of continuous uptime? Because I had 50 days, If you got a Linux machine with python inside, you can use this "old" script I got backed up... (attached file, or on this url) https://framabin.org/?bf90e8ed6b6903bf#Wyld6xBTPIpU1AP04YS4JzxW4XHCqfe6bGNYh... It 's easy : save it on your linux box, launch it with ./tshirt.py then it will ask your relay fingerprint, or it's possible to add this info directly after the command with : ./tshirt.py FINGERPRINT (replace with your relay's fingerprint found on Atlas https://atlas.torproject.org )
I hope this script is still ok today. It was las year! Thx to the Torproject team for sending without any problem the tshirt :) Now it can be a cool way to speak about Tor with people around when you wear this :) (more than usual...)
so if I need to wait another 2 months that’ll be depressing "To dream is happiness ; to wait is life." Victor Hugo (I hope translation is quite good :s )
Cheers! -- Petrusko C0BF 2184 4A77 4A18 90E9 F72C B3CA E665 EBE2 3AE5
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:28:34AM +0100, Dylan Issa wrote:
To add on this, if my Tor relay was restarted for a reason (resets downtime) but previously had ~50 days uptime, if I get the remaining 10 days am I eligible? Or must it be at least 60 days of continuous uptime? Because I had 50 days, so if I need to wait another 2 months that???ll be depressing
When I originally wrote the qualifying text, I definitely did not mean to require an uptime of 60 days. I think my thought process was more that if you have downtime in the 60 days, then your relay's throughput needs to be proportionally higher to account for the time where your speed is effectively 0. And I guess there is some unspecified threshold where you have so much downtime in the 60 days that you can't really argue that you were "running the relay for the past two months". That said, the folks handling tshirt requests are the real arbiters of how they are interpreting my sentences, so I will defer to them. :) --Roger
Hi, On 21/10/17 09:06, Roger Dingledine wrote:
That said, the folks handling tshirt requests are the real arbiters of how they are interpreting my sentences, so I will defer to them. :)
I was sure we had a bug for this, but I can't find it. Here's a bug I just filed to include eligibility information for a t-shirt on Atlas: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/23941 It would be great to have someone from the t-shirts team comment here, as I'm not exactly sure what the criteria are. Thanks, Iain.
Iain R. Learmonth:
Hi,
On 21/10/17 09:06, Roger Dingledine wrote:
That said, the folks handling tshirt requests are the real arbiters of how they are interpreting my sentences, so I will defer to them. :)
I was sure we had a bug for this, but I can't find it. Here's a bug I just filed to include eligibility information for a t-shirt on Atlas:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/23941
It would be great to have someone from the t-shirts team comment here, as I'm not exactly sure what the criteria are.
Thanks, Iain.
It occurs to me that those folks might not be on this list, so I'm copying the t-shirt alias here. Alison
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
Hi,
On 21/10/17 09:06, Roger Dingledine wrote:
That said, the folks handling tshirt requests are the real arbiters of how they are interpreting my sentences, so I will defer to them. :)
The script tells us if the relay has been up for two months, whether it's uptime is at least 95%, and the average traffic for the past two months. But we add our more forgiving judgement to those results. For example, if a relay doesn't meet the traffic requirements in the previous two month period, but we can see from the Atlas graphs that it did in the past, we consider it eligible. If a relay is very close to the traffic requirement, we tend to squint and call it good. I don't worry so much about the uptime requirement encoded in the script because it's not in the requirements stated on the t-shirt page.
I was sure we had a bug for this, but I can't find it. Here's a bug I just filed to include eligibility information for a t-shirt on Atlas:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/23941
It would be great to have someone from the t-shirts team comment here, as I'm not exactly sure what the criteria are.
The script would need to be updated as it currently uses the wrong threshold for exit traffic (100 KBytes/s rather than 250 KBytes/s). And we'd need to decide whether to consider the uptime calculation. And the rule is one t-shirt per person, not per relay. We'd need to make it very clear (somewhere) that if you've already gotten your shirt, the fact that Atlas now says you're eligible doesn't mean you get another one. I'll add this info to the ticket. -Kat
Kat,
Kat wrote The script tells us if the relay has been up for two months, whether it's uptime is at least 95%, and the average traffic for the past two months. But we add our more forgiving judgement to those results. For example, if a relay doesn't meet the traffic requirements in the two month period, but we can see from the Atlas graphs that it did in the past, we consider it eligible. If a relay is very close to the traffic requirement, we tend to squint and call it good. I don't worry so much about the uptime requirement encoded in the script because it's not in the requirements stated on the t-shirt page.
That's a first i.e. a plain and clear explanation of how tshirts are calculated. It would be good to have it somewhere amongst the setting up of a relay instructions. It seems to me that it might be better to have a reward for the first stage of running a relay(s) at a couple of months and another reward for much longer, faster or financial commitment. That could be anything but I'd be happy with a different tshirt perhaps of better quality so it lasted longer. Rob
-Kat
Hey, And on the road, you will be able to see "the man who is wearing the Tor Operator -Level 2- Tshirt" :) Cheers ;)
It seems to me that it might be better to have a reward for the first stage of running a relay(s) at a couple of months and another reward for much longer, faster or financial commitment. That could be anything but I'd be happy with a different tshirt perhaps of better quality so it lasted longer.
Rob
-- Petrusko C0BF 2184 4A77 4A18 90E9 F72C B3CA E665 EBE2 3AE5
It's running at a solid 10MByte/s, i have about 60 days of uptime just around 50 days my Tor daemon crashed and it took me about a day to realize and fix it. Do I need to wait another 60 days, or does the concurrency not matter and I'll still be eligible? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone
On 21 Oct 2017, at 09:06, Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:28:34AM +0100, Dylan Issa wrote: To add on this, if my Tor relay was restarted for a reason (resets downtime) but previously had ~50 days uptime, if I get the remaining 10 days am I eligible? Or must it be at least 60 days of continuous uptime? Because I had 50 days, so if I need to wait another 2 months that???ll be depressing
When I originally wrote the qualifying text, I definitely did not mean to require an uptime of 60 days. I think my thought process was more that if you have downtime in the 60 days, then your relay's throughput needs to be proportionally higher to account for the time where your speed is effectively 0. And I guess there is some unspecified threshold where you have so much downtime in the 60 days that you can't really argue that you were "running the relay for the past two months".
That said, the folks handling tshirt requests are the real arbiters of how they are interpreting my sentences, so I will defer to them. :)
--Roger
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Dylan Issa wrote:
It's running at a solid 10MByte/s, i have about 60 days of uptime just around 50 days my Tor daemon crashed and it took me about a day to realize and fix it. Do I need to wait another 60 days, or does the concurrency not matter and I'll still be eligible? Thanks.
Nope, you should be fine. Send an email to tshirt@torproject.org with your relay's name/fingerprint, preferably from the email address in the relay's Contact field. -Kat
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