3 things: 1. ========= This is what I get few days ago from Hetzer Support:
Guten Tag Herr Förster,
laut Deutschem Recht sind Tor Server im Moment nicht verboten. Aus diesem Grund sind Tor Server bei uns auch nicht verboten. Aus Erfahrung raten wir jedoch vom Betrieb eines Tor Exit Node ab. Leider wird oft ueber Tor Server Content verbreitet welcher laut >Deutschem Recht nicht erlaubt ist. Dies kann Ermittlungen von Behoerden nach sich >ziehen.
Maybe worth to update https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs ? 2. ========= I'm planning to setup there a dedicated server now soon (with Gentoo Linux if possible) within next days - or are there too much servers already at the ISP Hetzner ? 3. ========= And for the following days I do want put the line "ExitPolicy reject *:*" before all subsequent liens like "ExitPolicy accept *:20-23 # FTP, SSH, telnet" of the reduced exit policy to just look how the system behaves as a simply relay. Worth or superflous ? Am I right, that later just commenting out that reject line enhance the Tor server from relay to "relay + exit node" ? Or does this mean that -- Toralf pgp key: 0076 E94E
On 09/10/2014 09:07 PM, Toralf Förster wrote:
This is what I get few days ago from Hetzer Support:
Guten Tag Herr Förster, [...] Maybe worth to update https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs ?
Hetzner is already listed as both good and bad. You're invited to add your statement (it's a wiki!), but it is nearly a dupe of what is already quoted there.
========= I'm planning to setup there a dedicated server now soon (with Gentoo Linux if possible) within next days - or are there too much servers already at the ISP Hetzner ?
https://compass.torproject.org/ , enter AS24940, and select "group by AS": 6.5% advertised bandwidth, 8.5% Guard probability, 10.5% Middle probability, 2.0485% Exit probability. When you just group by AS, Hetzner is third in bandwidth and 13th in exit probability. Overall, I would strongly suggest a different provider, but there is no groud truth on how much bandwidth any ISP (or country) should see.
And for the following days I do want put the line "ExitPolicy reject *:*" before all subsequent liens like "ExitPolicy accept *:20-23 # FTP, SSH, telnet"
of the reduced exit policy to just look how the system behaves as a simply relay. Worth or superflous ?
It takes quite long for a relay to reach a stable state, as it will take time to be picked as Guard by enough clients. See https://blog.torproject.org/blog/lifecycle-of-a-new-relay for more details. You can of course change exit policy whenever you like, but to better be able to see the effect it takes several weeks in each phase.
Am I right, that later just commenting out that reject line enhance the Tor server from relay to "relay + exit node" ?
Yes, this should work. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/
On 09/10/2014 11:05 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
Overall, I would strongly suggest a different provider, but there is no groud truth on how much bandwidth any ISP (or country) should see.
Looked around for another provider in Germany with good prices and an appropriate AGB (added few things to the WIKI btw) - no luck so far till now. -- Toralf pgp key: 0076 E94E
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Toralf, euServ used to be a good provider I think. But to legally host a Tor relay you have to rent a dedicated root server there. Did you already look at Server4You? I think they are a little expensive compared to other hosters but the quality is supposed to be good. Greetings from germany, DerTorSteher - -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tor-relays [mailto:tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org] Im Auftrag von Toralf Förster Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. September 2014 19:54 An: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Betreff: Re: [tor-relays] request at Hetzner On 09/10/2014 11:05 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
Overall, I would strongly suggest a different provider, but there is no groud truth on how much bandwidth any ISP (or country) should see.
Looked around for another provider in Germany with good prices and an appropriate AGB (added few things to the WIKI btw) - no luck so far till now. - -- Toralf pgp key: 0076 E94E _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Outlook Privacy Plugin iQFDBAEBAgAtBQJUEeg5JhxEZXJUb3JTdGVoZXIgPGRlcnRvcnN0ZWhlckBnbWFp bC5jb20+AAoJEEJxcicpw3h9DL4H/jnt+94HEbwJ1RTZlnig4iarJ5DCxtyp5bGs BYbVTGHNsX4G7+8q6YHdxuB3jWS9a+b2Q1/sYOVtkzORcjkS0KNR5qWi8pnvVL5B 4kBbtaYCANScn5ae+AzdtBM/hF3cKd6AltZdFSZyJXbEkZFXwoM/tCifU9CEb9Fs y/l+/D1s5DZfMNNhbp+TxNvm5BLVOq+WfUbz6SkkKw7EMlTaQvUfi6fJMVfQOYGK 5vskZEyWdwLnJdfAh8k6jdL2qXzSE687Xy5irk3jxt+/S0D/hV7LbAtBJg5EgqUI Z1SjDI6NiZoLdBrpHvUMoBgCDdFwhD04Q1whT9qN0Mv6mSCop9A= =zVV2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 09/11/2014 08:21 PM, DerTorSteher wrote:
euServ used to be a good provider I think. But to legally host a Tor relay you have to rent a dedicated root server there. Was one of my candidates (due to Gentoo-supported OS), but : http://faq.euserv.de/content/1/149/en/is-tor-irc-or-another-proxy-service-al...
- Exit Nodes are generally not allowedat the moment. (sic !)
Did you already look at Server4You? oops, not now, wiki discouraged me at the first glance - will check
I think they are a little expensive compared to other hosters but the quality is supposed to be good.
-- Toralf pgp key: 0076 E94E
On 11 Sep 2014, at 21:20, Toralf Förster <toralf.foerster@gmx.de> wrote:
Did you already look at Server4You? oops, not now, wiki discouraged me at the first glance - will check
I have the worst possible expierences with that company and hosting servers there. Would not recommend it at all. This includes: - fake v"server" root server offers via virtuozzo, which are overly crippled and don't allow you to update the kernel (they never update it themselves it seems) - single abuse complaint meant they told me they'd cancel the account if it ever happened again Cheers Sebastian
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think nobody ever mentioned 1und1.de as a dedicated root server hoster. I looked around a bit but couldn't find any hints about anonymisation services or Tor specifically in the FAQs or TOS. Just wrote an email to the support and asked about that. I'll tell you the result when I get it. Does anybody got experience with this ISP? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Outlook Privacy Plugin iQFDBAEBAgAtBQJUEhxtJhxEZXJUb3JTdGVoZXIgPGRlcnRvcnN0ZWhlckBnbWFp bC5jb20+AAoJEEJxcicpw3h9auEH/i2f/gJJFu97lpHEQtAc7OAwnff/T3pNVJNV zTxSh8teNSZ9hjrOkvFETTWByHmCrKcXanB1UeX5GmS7DmaWTj/CN60qd2WvE3+H 1R7ELMvD7zr04weYppl5qJqpTknbPRKikBZOqqaFsdT1hW/PFWHKQgk9CceVpfyz Dugwv6dlYXIOUbydjPyMmUgiQOX3sQMHnk+we5GQ6+qmzeP/geteVJlvS8qafJoI VjPLcbauKgVerw5gGBfmQM5PYYNer5yhRj/D1iu7vT8ITr1O70RGArvElThmn5gs LLVZfQpS88Bq/Ud6hrQz6BAgPU2Jnuc57NjJStSE77qxxSiunS4= =dAd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 09/11/2014 10:47 PM, Sebastian Hahn wrote:
On 11 Sep 2014, at 21:20, Toralf Förster <toralf.foerster@gmx.de> wrote:
Did you already look at Server4You? oops, not now, wiki discouraged me at the first glance - will check
I have the worst possible expierences with that company and hosting servers there. Would not recommend it at all. This includes:
- fake v"server" root server offers via virtuozzo, which are overly crippled and don't allow you to update the kernel (they never update it themselves it seems)
- single abuse complaint meant they told me they'd cancel the account if it ever happened again
Cheers Sebastian
Interesting, the answer from the support did not explicitly forbid a Tor server:
... Grundsätzlich können Sie auf den Servern hosten, was Sie möchten. Es darf jedoch nicht gegen das Gesetz verstoßen. Bitte schauen Sie in unsere AGB, um mehr darüber zu erfahren. Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis! ...
-- Toralf pgp key: 0076 E94E
Perhaps it is worth a discrete try with a reduced exit policy. I have several VPS exits running against stated bans. The superficial legal statements apparently are not the entire story. Robert
On 11/09/14 07:07, Toralf Förster wrote:
3 things:
1. ========= This is what I get few days ago from Hetzer Support:
Guten Tag Herr Förster,
laut Deutschem Recht sind Tor Server im Moment nicht verboten. Aus diesem Grund sind Tor Server bei uns auch nicht verboten. Aus Erfahrung raten wir jedoch vom Betrieb eines Tor Exit Node ab. Leider wird oft ueber Tor Server Content verbreitet welcher laut >Deutschem Recht nicht erlaubt ist. Dies kann Ermittlungen von Behoerden nach sich >ziehen.
Maybe worth to update https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs ?
Hi, For the sake of records, I'm running a (reduced policy) tor exit node at Hetzner, I use to receive quite often abuse reports, but one day I simply told them that I was running a tor exit node and since that day i haven't receive a single abuse report. I keep my finger crossed, thought.... Chris
2. ========= I'm planning to setup there a dedicated server now soon (with Gentoo Linux if possible) within next days - or are there too much servers already at the ISP Hetzner ?
3. ========= And for the following days I do want put the line
"ExitPolicy reject *:*" before all subsequent liens like "ExitPolicy accept *:20-23 # FTP, SSH, telnet"
of the reduced exit policy to just look how the system behaves as a simply relay. Worth or superflous ?
Am I right, that later just commenting out that reject line enhance the Tor server from relay to "relay + exit node" ? Or does this mean that
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