Is a relay on mobile broadband possible in Australia?
Would anyone have had any luck running a relay via mobile broadband in Australia?
Sounds likely to be $$$ for shit performance / TOS, but if it's the only / guerilla / rural connection you've got... ok. Typically that backhauls to points coastal anyway, where other fine hosting services are offered, though perhaps not available from the same telco / satcom carrier / network, which might then be anti-diverse, or if available, could be pricier than the competition.
The DirPort 9030 and the ORPort 9001 are blocked.
Those are changeable to whatever is not blocked. If nothing is open, well...
Is it impossible to work around the port blocking?
... a block is a block. Either get it lifted, or vpn / shell / proxy / tunnel around it, or tell them you took your money elsewhere.
Would anyone have had any luck running a relay via mobile broadband in Australia?
The tor relay software requires a computer (not cellphone) OS like Linux or macOS, the software will not run on a cellphone. It’s also recommended you have an at least decently fast internet connection. In short, running your relay off a computer and ISP internet connection is far more likely to work. Do you mean it is the cellphone company that is supplying your internet connection? If your ISP or cellphone company is charging based on how much data you are using in a certain time, running a relay will be very expensive for you I am sorry to say. I would absolutely recommend you instead try to run your relay in an area where the ISP charges based on how much speed you purchase (which is pretty standard in the US). From: grarpamp Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 8:00 PM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
Would anyone have had any luck running a relay via mobile broadband in Australia?
Sounds likely to be $$$ for shit performance / TOS, but if it's the only / guerilla / rural connection you've got... ok. Typically that backhauls to points coastal anyway, where other fine hosting services are offered, though perhaps not available from the same telco / satcom carrier / network, which might then be anti-diverse, or if available, could be pricier than the competition.
The DirPort 9030 and the ORPort 9001 are blocked.
Those are changeable to whatever is not blocked. If nothing is open, well...
Is it impossible to work around the port blocking?
... a block is a block. Either get it lifted, or vpn / shell / proxy / tunnel around it, or tell them you took your money elsewhere. _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Thank you, It is a Raspberry Pi tethered to a cellphone with bulk data and fair speed which is much faster than a landline and modem would be. Telstra guaranteed " nought bytes/sec ". Grarpamp said
... a block is a block. Either get it lifted, or vpn / shell / proxy / tunnel around it,
How? Go on... The torrc manual says this. ORPort [address:]PORT|auto [flags] Advertise this port to listen for connections from Tor clients and servers. This option is required to be a Tor server. Set it to "auto" to have Tor pick a port for you Does that mean ORPort myapparentip:Auto ? ORPort Auto is rejected. Robert
In the torrc file, type QRPort then a space then the port number you want to run your relay on. If you haven’t, make sure the port you choose is configured for port forwarding on your router (or firewall if your using one). In some brands of router, I know apple and Netgear made routers, the port may not be blocked, but not configured for port forwarding which is required for relays to send and receive information to and from the tor network. To make sure this is not the issue, i would recommend creating a router / firewall rule to allow port forwarding on which port number your trying to run your relay on. Cheers.
On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:18 PM, I <beatthebastards@inbox.com> wrote:
Thank you,
It is a Raspberry Pi tethered to a cellphone with bulk data and fair speed which is much faster than a landline and modem would be. Telstra guaranteed " nought bytes/sec ".
Grarpamp said
... a block is a block. Either get it lifted, or vpn / shell / proxy / tunnel around it,
How? Go on...
The torrc manual says this. ORPort [address:]PORT|auto [flags] Advertise this port to listen for connections from Tor clients and servers. This option is required to be a Tor server. Set it to "auto" to have Tor pick a port for you
Does that mean ORPort myapparentip:Auto ? ORPort Auto is rejected.
Robert
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From: keifer. In the torrc file, type QRPort then a space then the port number you want to run your relay on.
Using a port scanning site no common ports appear open so there may be some translation going on out of my reach. Again it is a sim card in a phone from which the 'net comes to a RPi via wi-fi. Robert
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately running a relay with this setup is probably not the best way to go due to complications like this. Try installing the tor relay software on a computer and running the relay from there, then you shouldn’t have any hardware related issues. From: I Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:33 PM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
From: keifer. In the torrc file, type QRPort then a space then the port number you want to run your relay on.
Using a port scanning site no common ports appear open so there may be some translation going on out of my reach. Again it is a sim card in a phone from which the 'net comes to a RPi via wi-fi. Robert _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
How do I set the ORPort to Auto so that tor chooses the port? ORPort Auto is rejected Rob
On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 11:43:39PM -0800, I wrote:
How do I set the ORPort to Auto so that tor chooses the port?
ORPort Auto is rejected
It appears to be case sensitive: if you say "auto" it should work, but if you say "Auto" it won't know what you mean. I opened https://trac.torproject.org/26663 so hopefully the next person won't have the same trouble. --Roger
Indeed. Here is a snapshot of my torch configuration. As you can see, to set my relay to run on port 9002, I set it to “QRPort 9002” This is to just give you an example of roughly what the configuration should look like. QRPort followed by the wanted port number, or auto. So yes QRPort auto should work. Send a note back if it doesn’t.
On Jul 6, 2018, at 1:05 AM, I <beatthebastards@inbox.com> wrote:
Embarassingly I asked... How do I set the ORPort to Auto so that tor chooses the port? ORPort Auto is rejected
Roger Dingledine wrote:
It appears to be case sensitive: if you say "auto" it should work, but if you say "Auto" it won't know what you mean.
Bugger! Thanks Roger.
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Teor,
Please run: tor --verify-config -f torrc before posting a torrc.
That's useful to know. Now that I've used 'auto' for both DirPort and ORPort I still get 'unable to prove they're reachable' for the ports tor has chosen. Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity? Rob
On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:03, I <beatthebastards@inbox.com> wrote:
Teor,
Please run: tor --verify-config -f torrc before posting a torrc.
That's useful to know.
Now that I've used 'auto' for both DirPort and ORPort I still get 'unable to prove they're reachable' for the ports tor has chosen.
Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity?
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT. And then your mobile broadband router probably also does NAT itself. If you don't have a public IPv4 address assigned to the WAN side of your router, there's not much you can do at home. You could rent a remote server (VPS) to set up a Tor bridge or non-exit relay. Some of them even have free trials for a few months. T
Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT.
Thanks for that. But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router. From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married. I have numerous foreign VPS running mostly without drama. Robert
➢ tor --verify-config -f torrc My apologies. My torrc file says “QRPort 9002” and that is the saved file, my relay is running perfectly fine. Strange. ➢ I have numerous foreign VPS running smoothly without drama. I would try running relays off of the VPS then. If these VPS services your using have limited upload and download speed (as I’d imagine inexpensive ones do), you may want to consider running a bridge, which require less speed as they are only mostly used from censored areas. Find documentation on that here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en PT bridges are more effective as they are more difficult to detect for network censors than vanilla bridges. ➢ Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity? Yes, if you have no control at all over things such as what ports you are allowed to use because the ISP is limiting these things, using your VPS’s might be a better option. From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 7:45 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT.
Thanks for that. But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router.
From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married.
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I’m not insisting anything. I said my apologies that I made a typo, which it was just that. ➢ You had better stop typing. I am just trying to help. I know it’s called the torrc file, I just accidentally pressed the wrong button on the keyboard when I was typing the reply, as I said my mistake. Relax. I think that you should try the VPS. From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 8:47 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? Keifer, You referred to the torrc file as torch. You insist that it is QRPort when it is ORPort. You had better stop typing. -----Original Message----- From: keifer.bly@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:25:50 -0700 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? • tor --verify-config -f torrc My apologies. My torrc file says “QRPort 9002” and that is the saved file, my relay is running perfectly fine. Strange. • I have numerous foreign VPS running smoothly without drama. I would try running relays off of the VPS then. If these VPS services your using have limited upload and download speed (as I’d imagine inexpensive ones do), you may want to consider running a bridge, which require less speed as they are only mostly used from censored areas. Find documentation on that here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en PT bridges are more effective as they are more difficult to detect for network censors than vanilla bridges. • Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity? Yes, if you have no control at all over things such as what ports you are allowed to use because the ISP is limiting these things, using your VPS’s might be a better option. From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 7:45 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT. Thanks for that. But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router. From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married. I have numerous foreign VPS running mostly without drama. Robert
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I noticed you made a typo as well. You set the subject to “Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?”. You forgot to put a space in between the words “in” and “Australia” haha. Not getting defensive, just saying it happens. From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 8:47 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? Keifer, You referred to the torrc file as torch. You insist that it is QRPort when it is ORPort. You had better stop typing. -----Original Message----- From: keifer.bly@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:25:50 -0700 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? • tor --verify-config -f torrc My apologies. My torrc file says “QRPort 9002” and that is the saved file, my relay is running perfectly fine. Strange. • I have numerous foreign VPS running smoothly without drama. I would try running relays off of the VPS then. If these VPS services your using have limited upload and download speed (as I’d imagine inexpensive ones do), you may want to consider running a bridge, which require less speed as they are only mostly used from censored areas. Find documentation on that here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en PT bridges are more effective as they are more difficult to detect for network censors than vanilla bridges. • Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity? Yes, if you have no control at all over things such as what ports you are allowed to use because the ISP is limiting these things, using your VPS’s might be a better option. From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 7:45 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia? Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT. Thanks for that. But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router. From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married. I have numerous foreign VPS running mostly without drama. Robert
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Ok, that's enough. Please limit replies to helpful answers. Criticising people's ability to type is not helpful. And it's a waste of time for the hundreds of people on this list. T
On 7 Jul 2018, at 02:30, Keifer Bly <keifer.bly@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed you made a typo as well. You set the subject to “Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?”.
You forgot to put a space in between the words “in” and “Australia” haha. Not getting defensive, just saying it happens.
From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 8:47 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
Keifer,
You referred to the torrc file as torch. You insist that it is QRPort when it is ORPort. You had better stop typing.
-----Original Message----- From: keifer.bly@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:25:50 -0700 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
tor --verify-config -f torrc My apologies. My torrc file says “QRPort 9002” and that is the saved file, my relay is running perfectly fine. Strange.
I have numerous foreign VPS running smoothly without drama.
I would try running relays off of the VPS then. If these VPS services your using have limited upload and download speed (as I’d imagine inexpensive ones do), you may want to consider running a bridge, which require less speed as they are only mostly used from censored areas.
Find documentation on that here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en
PT bridges are more effective as they are more difficult to detect for network censors than vanilla bridges.
Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity?
Yes, if you have no control at all over things such as what ports you are allowed to use because the ISP is limiting these things, using your VPS’s might be a better option.
From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 7:45 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT.
Thanks for that.
But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router.
From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married.
I have numerous foreign VPS running mostly without drama.
Robert
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Teor, your right. I’m sorry, that was the wrong way to react. Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2018, at 1:30 PM, teor <teor2345@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, that's enough. Please limit replies to helpful answers.
Criticising people's ability to type is not helpful. And it's a waste of time for the hundreds of people on this list.
T
On 7 Jul 2018, at 02:30, Keifer Bly <keifer.bly@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed you made a typo as well. You set the subject to “Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?”.
You forgot to put a space in between the words “in” and “Australia” haha. Not getting defensive, just saying it happens.
From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 8:47 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
Keifer,
You referred to the torrc file as torch. You insist that it is QRPort when it is ORPort. You had better stop typing.
-----Original Message----- From: keifer.bly@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:25:50 -0700 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
tor --verify-config -f torrc My apologies. My torrc file says “QRPort 9002” and that is the saved file, my relay is running perfectly fine. Strange.
I have numerous foreign VPS running smoothly without drama.
I would try running relays off of the VPS then. If these VPS services your using have limited upload and download speed (as I’d imagine inexpensive ones do), you may want to consider running a bridge, which require less speed as they are only mostly used from censored areas.
Find documentation on that here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en
PT bridges are more effective as they are more difficult to detect for network censors than vanilla bridges.
Is it just a waste of time to try to run a relay through a mobile phone's data because the telco is actively blocking a lot of usual broadband activity?
Yes, if you have no control at all over things such as what ports you are allowed to use because the ISP is limiting these things, using your VPS’s might be a better option.
From: I Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 7:45 AM To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Is a relay on mobile broadband possible inAustralia?
Teor,
Most mobile carriers use carrier-grade NAT.
Thanks for that.
But yet again, I do not have anything but a 'phone passing data via wi-fi to a computer (a Raspberry Pi in this case) so there's no router.
From what you say and what I've tried Optus is having a joke and limiting what we can do with 'broadband internet'. Their parents weren't married.
I have numerous foreign VPS running mostly without drama.
Robert
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