Min. Bandwidth for Bridge Relay?
Hi! I have around 50-60 KB/s of bandwidth that I'd like to use for running a bridge relay. Is this a sufficient amount of bandwidth? I ask because it doesn't seem like very much compared to the amounts that others donate to the tor network. Tor documentation suggests as little as 20 KB/s can be used to run a tor relay but this seems to be a very low badwidth rate.
From looking at the tor status web page via blutmagie.de it would seem that there some low bandwidth relays but are these really useful or too slow to be useful to the tor network?
If someone can confirm that 50-60 KB/s for bridge relay is useful then I would go ahead & run my bridge relay. Best regards,
freeflow@mail.md:
Hi!
Hi there! (I'm not an Tor official nor should you weight my opinion too much)
I have around 50-60 KB/s of bandwidth that I'd like to use for running a bridge relay.
Great.
Is this a sufficient amount of bandwidth? I ask because it doesn't seem like very much compared to the amounts that others donate to the tor network.
I got told that the uptime of a bridge should be at least a couple of hours to be useful. (yep, uptime has nothing to do with bandwidth, but..) IMO bridges are expected to be run from residential connections (beside others) where bandwidth isn't as plentiful as it is for servers. At least the upload-bandwidth is bad.
Tor documentation suggests as little as 20 KB/s can be used to run a tor relay but this seems to be a very low badwidth rate.
As far as I know there were some changes that only with 30 KB/s will see something one would call traffic.
From looking at the tor status web page via blutmagie.de it would seem that there some low bandwidth relays but are these really useful or too slow to be useful to the tor network?
"Normal" relays push much more traffic than 50 KB/s when they are capable of doing so. I can't argue for or against another relay which adds some bandwidth to the network. For huge amounts of bandwidth (plus meeting the uptime requirement) I'd argue for being a relay.
If someone can confirm that 50-60 KB/s for bridge relay is useful then I would go ahead & run my bridge relay.
Bridges serve a different purpose than "normal" relays. Bridges are used to get around censors (or not being "seen" as connecting to the Tor network on first glance) where people are happy to reach the website they wanted to visit. It's not about pushing large amounts of bandwidth back an forth, it's more about providing access to Tor and therefor the rest of the Internet.
Best regards, Also Best Regards, Sebastian
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 08:17:01PM +0200, Sebastian G. <bastik.tor> wrote:
Tor documentation suggests as little as 20 KB/s can be used to run a tor relay but this seems to be a very low badwidth rate.
As far as I know there were some changes that only with 30 KB/s will see something one would call traffic.
Yes -- but that's only for public relays.
Bridges serve a different purpose than "normal" relays. Bridges are used to get around censors (or not being "seen" as connecting to the Tor network on first glance) where people are happy to reach the website they wanted to visit. It's not about pushing large amounts of bandwidth back an forth, it's more about providing access to Tor and therefor the rest of the Internet.
Right. I think a 50KB/s bridge is still useful. See also https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#RelayOrBridge --Roger
Hi, Thanks for the helpful replies & also the link provided make it very clear. I will go ahead with my bridge relay. On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:47:33 -0400, Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 08:17:01PM +0200, Sebastian G. <bastik.tor> wrote:
Tor documentation suggests as little as 20 KB/s can be used to run a tor relay but this seems to be a very low badwidth rate.
As far as I know there were some changes that only with 30 KB/s will see something one would call traffic.
Yes -- but that's only for public relays.
Bridges serve a different purpose than "normal" relays. Bridges are used to get around censors (or not being "seen" as connecting to the Tor network on first glance) where people are happy to reach the website they wanted to visit. It's not about pushing large amounts of bandwidth back an forth, it's more about providing access to Tor and therefor the rest of the Internet.
Right. I think a 50KB/s bridge is still useful.
See also https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#RelayOrBridge
--Roger
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On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 15:21:37 freeflow@mail.md wrote:
Hi!
I have around 50-60 KB/s of bandwidth that I'd like to use for running a bridge relay.
Is this a sufficient amount of bandwidth? I ask because it doesn't seem like very much compared to the amounts that others donate to the tor network.
Tor documentation suggests as little as 20 KB/s can be used to run a tor relay but this seems to be a very low badwidth rate.
From looking at the tor status web page via blutmagie.de it would seem that there some low bandwidth relays but are these really useful or too slow to be useful to the tor network?
If someone can confirm that 50-60 KB/s for bridge relay is useful then I would go ahead & run my bridge relay.
How often does your IP address change? A bridge's address should change every few weeks so that censors making lists of bridge addresses can't keep up with it. My address changes once every few years (the last time was because someone broke the cable digging up a pipe), so I run a middle relay. Don't run an exit relay from a home connection; you'll be banned from editing Wikipedia, talking on IRC, etc. cmeclax
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:11 AM, cmeclax <cmeclax-sazri@ixazon.dynip.com>wrote:
How often does your IP address change? A bridge's address should change every few weeks so that censors making lists of bridge addresses can't keep up with it. My address changes once every few years (the last time was because someone broke the cable digging up a pipe), so I run a middle relay. Don't run an exit relay from a home connection; you'll be banned from editing Wikipedia, talking on IRC, etc.
cmeclax _______________________________________________
Why not run an exit relay from home? I have done it for 4 yrs, also i have no problems getting on IRC with tor, thought it does depend on which network. It is just a matter of what one wants to pay/donate to the Tor Project. One does not have to use a standered home connection, but can use a business connection, all from home, which also will increase their available bandwidth. Jon
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:28:46 +0000, Jon wrote:
Why not run an exit relay from home? I have done it for 4 yrs,
Depending on your jurisdiction and what people happen to do via your exit this may earn you a police search of your home and confiscation of all computers there. If you don't mind that risk, or it doesn't exist where you live, have fun. Relays are more easily operated on deicated/virtual servers; the latter don't come that expensive either, and with more upstream bandwidth. Andreas -- "Totally trivial. Famous last words." From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@*.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:29:21 -0800
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