Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:20:22 -0500 From: that guy grep@gmx.us To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor relay in Russia/China Message-ID: 528746E6.1030208@gmx.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 11/15/2013 06:20 PM, tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org wrote:

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I've heard that some ISPs in China provide uncensored network access to foreign companies. But this is hearsay

You are correct but it is not that simple nor widespread. What I've seen most often is execs from big companies getting special considerations so while "uncensored" might be a stretch there is some truth to the above. I can find out more any time if anyone needs some info please contact me any time as I don't think it will be a big topic of discussion here:) I have seen heavy use of VPN's by western students visiting, or studying in Bejing w/out issue. I'll have very current info and can get some near instant feedback in the next day or two.

And to the guys saying "avoid the ussa like the plague" this wanna-be expat agrees 100%. Sadly! And for a whole lot more than just Tor nodes.

But keep in mind that Chinese people like to do things in a tricky way. They might say not censored network but they didn't say they're not monitoring it. The gov has said that they will be strict on "ideology" in any situation.

I did hear about someone in "a famous Finnish mobile phone company which will belong to a US operating system making company" said they can access facebook directly but I haven't got a chance to see whether they are using an enterprise level VPN or uncensored network.

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