Re: [tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 51, Issue 27
Can I get the list of those sites which are blocking tor traffic to view or edit their page? On 23 Apr 2015 17:30, <tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org> wrote:
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1. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH) 2. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH) 3. Re: Subpoena received (Brian Kroll) 4. Re: Subpoena received (renke@mobtm.com) 5. Re: Quantum Insert detection for everyone (tor@t-3.net) 6. Re: Subpoena received (Moritz Bartl)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:15:32 +0200 From: Jan GUTH <prometheus@enn.lu> To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received Message-ID: <5538AA24.3040802@enn.lu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
Hi I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
Good morning list,
I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility, and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first one they have ever received.
The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do not try to fool them.
This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the tech guys - as always.
So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of and what not? Moritz?
Cheers, J.
-- Jan GUTH International Coordinator
Fr?nn vun der ?nn A.S.B.L. (NGO) e. info@enn.lu (GPG: 0x02225522) t. +352?691?71?77?44 w. http://enn.lu/
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:20:10 +0200 From: Jan GUTH <prometheus@enn.lu> To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received Message-ID: <5538AB3A.2050701@enn.lu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
Hi I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
Good morning list,
I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility, and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first one they have ever received.
The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do not try to fool them.
This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the tech guys - as always.
So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of and what not? Moritz?
Cheers, J.
-- Jan GUTH International Coordinator
Fr?nn vun der ?nn A.S.B.L. (NGO) e. info@enn.lu (GPG: 0x02225522) t. +352?691?71?77?44 w. http://enn.lu/
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:29:45 +0000 From: Brian Kroll <brian@fiberoverethernet.com> To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received Message-ID: <5538AD79.3060902@fiberoverethernet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
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Zack Weinberg:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Tyler Durden <virii@enn.lu> wrote:
I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania
Just FYI, "Washington" doesn't appear to have anything to do with this. The subpoena is on the letterhead of an office of Cook County, Illinois, which is the locality containing the city of Chicago. Per http://www.cookcountyil.gov/office-of-the-independent-inspector-general/
this office investigates misconduct by county officials.
This matters because, first, this is probably a tiny little outfit with little or no clue about either the Internet or international law.
As a resident of Cook Country I can safely say it's not a small locality, but I'm sure their knowledge about international law is quite low.
They *should have* hired an international lawyer when they saw they'd need to talk to someone operating out of Romania and/or Luxembourg, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they didn't.
And they've probably never even heard of Tor before.
I know the Chicago Police claim they don't know what Tor is.
http://www.muckrock.com/foi/chicago-169/chicago-police-use-of-tor-15392/
Second, the incident which triggered the investigation, whatever it is, is probably quite minor. (This is backed up by their asking for one IP address active at a single point in time.) It would have been booted up to the state or federal level if it were any kind of serious. For both those reasons, I would rate the odds of them actually bothering to jump through all the necessary legal hoops to get a court order binding on a foreign national as slim to none.
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:47:17 +0200 (CEST) From: renke@mobtm.com To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received Message-ID: <20150423094717.382558A02B7@dd1818.kasserver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi,
The counterpart we need to contribute is a letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do not try to fool them.
as the US government sponsored (parts of) the Tor development - what about giving them US military research papers about the Tor network?
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a465464.pdf is one of them, co-authored by a Navy researcher and performed by the Naval Research Laboratory.
Not itself sufficient, but done by a bigger organisation w/o triggering anarchist/commie/hacker/terroristsupporting/publicenemy bias reactions.
Renke
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 07:39:07 -0400 From: tor@t-3.net To: <tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone Message-ID: <5538d9db.9d8.3c445700.6bd5299c@t-3.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
On 04/23/2015 01:56 AM, David Stainton wrote:
It is possible to add a "prevention" mechanism to HoneyBadger; an event based firewall ruleset generator made to block TCP injection attacks as they are happening... yes. This is possible. I could write that if there was interest from enough people.
Gief.
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:57:32 +0200 From: Moritz Bartl <moritz@torservers.net> To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received Message-ID: <5538DE2C.3030200@torservers.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 04/23/2015 10:20 AM, Jan GUTH wrote:
So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of and what not? Moritz?
Depends on what convinces them. :-) Sounds like it may make sense to get a generic letter signed by all our partner organizations (which includes Reporters without Borders, Institute of War & Peace Reporting, Article19, and potentially other Human Rights Orgs) in the long run.
I'm happy to write something as Torservers.net, in a way representing all the current partner orgs. Then, we can send the letter around and get it co-signed by all the partner orgs and other orgs.
-- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/
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