btw, when we say "secure" we don't refer to "encryption" but rather to keeping undesired elements from communicating with us :P "secure" in terms of what you mean is accomplished by physical port/wire security, or encrypting the entire layer-2 stuff thoroughly, with something -custom- (not american-run ssl junk ;) -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle http://www.facebook.com/cb3rob ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 12:27:08PM +0000, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
plus, who still cares about smtp anyway, its pretty much dead, 300 spam
If you think SMTP is dead, you're way out of touch with reality.
mails per day and just 1 or 2 real emails a week, anything important is
If you receive 300 spams/day, and your volume is not 50000 emails/day, there's something wrong with your spam filter.
handled over skype and other transports which have "friends lists"
Skype? That thing that's blocked on corporate networks, and the kind of company that autoinstalls malware despite explicit user's wishes? The kind of company just purchased by Microsoft, which forebodes plenty of great things in the future?
nowadays. if they don't fix their protocol to have friends lists, they have no right to complain.. we're gonna completely shut down smtp soon
Who is this 'we' kemosabe?
enough, its old, dusty, not peer 2 peer (hardly any open relays
It *WORKS*. And is an integral part of corporate communications.
left),insecure (no pre-approved senders/friends list) slow (graylisting),
Insecure? Never heard about StartTLS or PGP/S/MIME?
unreliable (spamhaus idiots), and pretty much, dead (number of real emails per week vs the number of junk per hour ;).
even more dead than that other piece of crap from the past, ftp and
Ftp is dead, too? Nobody told me.
In fact, ftp and mail server is the first thing that people yell about when it goes down.
What are you going to tell us next? That nobody uses telephones, and there are no fax machines? Really? You sure?
gopher :P
anyway, an access lists which allows http and https but -not- to hotmail/gmail/rest of that crap would not be too hard to make.
P.S. As someone who bitches about email, notice you're using email, and you top-posted and failed to trim the message.
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