when reading one of your previous emails in this thread I realized that I probably never had a correct understanding of "Zwiebelfreunde e.V." vs "Torservers".
so maybe it is time for me to get a better understanding, would be great if you could confirm, here is my latest understanding:
Zwiebelfreunde e.V. - https://www.zwiebelfreunde.de/ - - an official legal entity - operates tor relays - is a LIR - https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/de.zwf.html - (sometimes) gives IP address space to other big tor relay operators (F3Netze, MK)
Torservers - https://torservers.net/ - an informal umbrella project founded by Zwiebelfreunde e.V. - not a legal entity - does not operate any tor relays itself but Zwiebelfreunde e.V. uses the "torservers.net" domain on their relays [but torservers.net says: "We run managed and unmanaged nodes" and "Our goal is to run exit nodes"?] - has multiple partners that run their own infrastructure and relays
Moritz Bartl:
On 9/17/18 11:24 AM, nusenu wrote:
We have a bunch of exit relays on our own AS https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.102 and the NForce ones. We used to run more, but are shutting down more and more because of lack of time to properly maintain everything.
are you actively looking for other (trusted) entities to take over / help you with operations?
Yes. We have talked to people in person since before 2013. I have tried to get you on board several times
its sad I didn't realize (or can't recall?) that.
for example to replace the website with a nice map of all torservers relays (by all partners), or a static map of all partner orgs. We would need an issue tracker to dump all the ideas in, but it won't help if there is nobody with capacity to coordinate. We do NOT need a tech sysadmin; the sys admin is the smallest and easiest bit.
ok than I misunderstood your earlier sentence ("but are shutting down more and more because of lack of time to properly **maintain** everything."), so you are not specifically looking for technical people but people coordinating things (what kind of things?)
There is a lot of coordination necessary, because it is impossible to find someone to take over everything that is going on at once. We have spent countless hours on "trying to integrate new people" but if we lack the person(s) to coordinate, it is a lot of wasted effort for everyone. The alternative that I have been suggesting since 2014 is to "shut down" Torservers
Since I've seen the shutdown "notice" before I assume it won't be happening soon and sharply but I still would like to get an understanding of the scope of the "shutdown".
When you say "shut down Torservers" is that limited to the umbrella project or does that also include Zwiebelfreunde e.V., your relays and the RIPE membership/LIR (and therefore also affects those that make use of your IP space)?
kind regards, nusenu